#465902 - Sun Oct 18 2009 06:11 AM
Re: The Green Warning
|
Administrator
Registered: Sat Mar 29 2003
Posts: 16595
Loc: Western Canada
|
I have some standard advice that I give to quiz writers about how to avoid this type of unintentional plagiarism. The first is to take your research notes with a paper and pen. Don't use any kind of copy and paste function. If you are taking paper notes, you are not likely to use the wording of the source, but instead to jot down something like "1939 Atlanta Vivien Leigh". You've given the wording used by your source less of a chance to cement itself into your brain. Second, use more than one site for research. Besides the obvious benefit of this confirming your answer, seeing the same information presented in more than one fashion keeps any particular wording from "taking", quite as much. By the way, if you find that all of your sources use exactly the same wording, you will know that they have been plagiarizing each other. This means that you have not, in fact, confirmed your answer with more than one source - it's all the same source, even if it's fifteen different websites. This accounts for the way you will sometimes be accused of plagiarism from a website that you've never even visited - it just happens to be the one the editors found your wording on. Third, wait a few days after researching before writing up your quiz. The turns of phrase used by your source will have a chance to fade from your mind. We understand that in the bald stating of facts, it's pretty easy to use exactly the same wording as someone else. There are only so many ways to say "Ernest Hemingway was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1956". For the most part, your editor won't even mention that kind of coincidental wording. What we tend to see most often, however, is something like "Hemingway - himself a great sportsman - liked to portray soldiers, hunters, bullfighters - tough, at times primitive people whose courage and honesty are set against the brutal ways of modern society, and who in this confrontation lose hope and faith." It's no coincidence that this wording is exactly the same as used on http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1954/hemingway-bio.html . I think you can understand the editors' rather jaded response to protests of innocence when we see this sort of thing.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#465903 - Sun Oct 18 2009 03:32 PM
Re: The Green Warning
|
Star Poster
Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001
Posts: 18899
Loc: California USA
|
Those are my sentiments exactly. I just try to give ways of avoiding it to people and major benefit of the doubt. I personally use the handwritten method on a sheet of graph paper for some reason. I'll force myself to jot down notes on that...then compose the questions. I'll write down ten items I want to write about as I research. Like amethyst, ship of same name, meaning of name, mine in Finland, goblet, Moh's scale, and then I come up with the questions. Sometimes I check my own work in Google! Not that I doubt myself, but, it could conceivably be too close to the source without me knowing it.
It isn't easy to broach the topic of plagiarism, but, if someone is willing to accept that their method has led them astray, then, we can work it out. Or, if they have some valid reason like being the author of an article or book on that topic. I ask people to tell me which sources they used when I'm uncertain, and most people are willing to do so.
_________________________
I was born under a wandering star.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#465904 - Sun Oct 18 2009 03:59 PM
Re: The Green Warning
|
Mainstay
Registered: Mon Sep 25 2006
Posts: 869
Loc: Kenny Lake Alaska USA
|
Quote:
What amazes me is how many people who we catch plagiarising claim to be professional writers who would 'never do such a thing', all evidence to the contrary!
It's amazing how many well-known and celebrated writers, among them serious historians Doris Kearns Goodwin and Stephen Ambrose, have been found guilty of plagiarism. This is a good article:
Quote:
By the way, if you find that all of your sources use exactly the same wording, you will know that they have been plagiarizing each other. This means that you have not, in fact, confirmed your answer with more than one source - it's all the same source, even if it's fifteen different websites. This accounts for the way you will sometimes be accused of plagiarism from a website that you've never even visited - it just happens to be the one the editors found your wording on.
This is an excellent point, agony, and one I'm certain many honest people haven't thought about.
I don't have time for writing many quizzes, but my two forays have been a good education and worthwhile experiences. I think the bottom line here is to trust that the editors are nice people who want to insure the high quality of FT quizzes. I can imagine it would be unpleasant to be questioned about having copied something, but if it's the first time and unintentional the editor's attitude will not be that of a policeman cornering a criminal.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#465905 - Sun Oct 18 2009 05:00 PM
Re: The Green Warning
|
Moderator
Registered: Wed Mar 15 2000
Posts: 16214
Loc: The Delta Quadrant
|
Again, I believe plagiarism.org is a useful cite if you want to know more about what plagiarism is and how to avoid it.
_________________________
"Without the darkness, how would we see the light?" ~ Tuvok
Editor for Television Category
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#465907 - Sat Oct 24 2009 01:03 PM
Re: The Green Warning
|
Mainstay
Registered: Mon Sep 25 2006
Posts: 869
Loc: Kenny Lake Alaska USA
|
Quote:
By the way, if you find that all of your sources use exactly the same wording, you will know that they have been plagiarizing each other.
One more comment on this: "Not necessarily."
I do not understand this, but I'm sure Terry and/or his lawyer(s) do.
I asked him about an image on FT that was on another totally unrelated site, and he said he's allowed to lift images from many sites, as per the GNU Free Documentation License. (If I remember correctly what he said.) This article explains it all, but my ignorance of such legal technicalities leaves it entirely hazy in my own mind.
I ran into the same situation at Wikipedia, finding article after article copied directly from other sites. Here's a convoluted argument of why it supposedly isn't plagiarism.
Bottom line: just because someone borrows from another site without acknowledgment apparently doesn't automatically mean plagiarism has occurred.
Bottom bottom line: at FT we still want entirely original material in quizzes.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#465909 - Sat Oct 24 2009 07:00 PM
Re: The Green Warning
|
Star Poster
Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001
Posts: 18899
Loc: California USA
|
If you had this sentence that appeared on twenty sites: "Swiss cheese or Gruyere has holes", it wouldn't be plagiarism.
If you had this one: "The ever enduring cheese treat "fromage Gruyere" hails from the Swiss alps and as everyone knows, has cute little holes tunneling through it giving it its cachet".
When I've looked up people's sources on food quizzes sometimes, I'll get about ten sites that are using each distinctive text like the latter example, and frankly, it's hard to tell who copied from whom, nor does it matter. We don't want that text on our quizzes.
_________________________
I was born under a wandering star.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|