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#466889 - Mon Apr 20 2009 02:32 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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What is the point in sending a correction notice? I have sent out quite a few in my time here, and do you all know how many have responded, let alone fixed it? One. Two if you count the time I had an insult towards Americans taken out of someone's quiz. However, that was an editor that changed that. Not the author itself.




Not sure if this applies, but if one plays mostly the bonus-point types of quizzes (Global challenge, hourlies, etc.) realize that the question pool for them is generated once and used for a LONG time going forward (months, maybe longer?) so any questions that are later fixed will still show up incorrectly until the database is updated. You'd have to go to the actual quiz to see the change any sooner. Along these lines, several times, based on what I saw in some Global Challenge quizzes, I've been tempted to send corrections, but being aware of the above issue, I opted to open up the actual quiz, and I saw the mistake had been fixed!

Personally, I've sent out dozens of corrections, mostly for spelling, etc. and have gotten back only a couple of responses. Only one was downright rude but the other few thanked me.

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#466890 - Mon Apr 20 2009 04:18 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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If someone has sent me a polite correction notice I always reply and I either thank them and let them know I've changed it or I explain why I haven't.

If it's not polite I will deal with it as needed but I don't reply to the sender.

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#466891 - Mon Apr 20 2009 11:02 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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If someone has sent me a polite correction notice I always reply and I either thank them and let them know I've changed it or I explain why I haven't.

If it's not polite I will deal with it as needed but I don't reply to the sender.




I follow this too. There are very few notes that I haven't replied to though.
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#466892 - Tue Apr 21 2009 11:53 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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If someone has sent me a polite correction notice I always reply and I either thank them and let them know I've changed it or I explain why I haven't. If it's not polite I will deal with it as needed but I don't reply to the sender.




Good policy!
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#466893 - Wed Apr 22 2009 04:43 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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I was very tempted to send in a correction note because I reckoned that a quiz setter had got a past tense wrong 10 times in as many questions.
Then I realised English may not be his/her first language so I let it go.

These things infuriate me: such as when I hear television journalists say that "the Titanic sunk on her maiden voyage.."
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#466894 - Wed Apr 22 2009 11:20 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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First language or not, we require that all quizzes comply with English grammar, so if the past tense is wrong (and you're sure that it's not just a regional difference in the variety of English) please do send a correction note!
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#466895 - Thu Apr 23 2009 12:19 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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so if the past tense is wrong (and you're sure that it's not just a regional difference in the variety of English) please do send a correction note!




Can we let the people decide?

The questions were along the lines of "which band SUNG "I'm A Believer"?

I was always taught that the past tense of sing was (and is) sang...

Hands up those who think it needs a CN?
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#466896 - Thu Apr 23 2009 01:22 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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so if the past tense is wrong (and you're sure that it's not just a regional difference in the variety of English) please do send a correction note!




Can we let the people decide?

The questions were along the lines of "which band SUNG "I'm A Believer"?

I was always taught that the past tense of sing was (and is) sang...

Hands up those who think it needs a CN?




"Sung" is the past participle, not past tense, which is indeed "sang." This warrants a CN.

I always remember my verb tenses by: (using your example darksplash - if you are ok with that)
1. Present tense (sing)
2. Present participle (is singing)
3. Past tense (sang)
4. Past participle ([has] sung)

It may be odd to some, but it's always worked for me.
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#466897 - Thu Apr 23 2009 08:39 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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This is an extremely common error - I think the use of 'sung' in colloquial speech is common in some places.

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#466898 - Thu Apr 23 2009 08:44 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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Common or not, still an error though.
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#466899 - Thu Apr 23 2009 08:53 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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In most quizzes that I edit submitted by Americans I find that forms used are:

drink - drunk - drunk

sing - sung - sung

sink - sunk - sunk


- and so on.

Obviously, the vowel of the simple past is at odds with British English and traditional grammar. However, I have found the u-vowel so frequently, and from articulate, well educated quiz authors that I wonder if this is in fact becoming (or has already become) the accepted norm in American English, except perhaps in very formal usage.

As a quiz editor, I change 'sunk' (past) to 'sank', but perhaps I should just accept it as American English.

I'd welcome comments, please.

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#466900 - Thu Apr 23 2009 08:53 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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There is a question which crops up occasionally regarding the correct form of the verb 'swim' to be used in a particular sentence, so it is important for the grammar to be correct.

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#466901 - Thu Apr 23 2009 09:33 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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Yes, language does change, and this may be becoming accepted usage in the US. Not quite yet, though, I think.

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#466902 - Thu Apr 23 2009 09:55 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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I am a native-speaker of American English, and though there are people who don't use the simple past for some irregular verbs in speech, it is an error, and would not be considered acceptable in any formal setting (business, academia, newspaper articles, etc.). These are mistakes that should be corrected.


Edited by shuehorn (Fri Apr 24 2009 04:41 PM)
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#466903 - Thu Apr 23 2009 10:44 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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As a quiz editor, I change 'sunk' (past) to 'sank', but perhaps I should just accept it as American English.




bloomsby, what you change is also the correct way here in the USA. Don't accept it, as it is incorrect. People invariably will use the wrong tense, and it bugs me also.

As I stated above, the way I remember my verb tenses works for me, and it may be different than some people are accustomed to, but "sung"/"drunk" as a past tense only is incorrect.

Edit to add: here is a list of irregular verbs (ones you don't add -ed to the end of the verb to make past) with both past tense and past participles. This page has some irregular verbs also.

Here are most (maybe not all) of the regular verbs that just add -ed, and from the same site the most common irregular verbs.


Edited by dg_dave (Thu Apr 23 2009 11:03 AM)
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#466904 - Thu Apr 23 2009 03:42 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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A new one on me is "dove"; not the bird but as in "He dove off the port side of the Titanic". (Presumably just before the ship "sunk" in the North Atlantic.)

I also winced the other day when I heard a BBC radio sports journalist say that one soccer side had "a more smoother" passage into the cup final than another.
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#466905 - Thu Apr 23 2009 03:52 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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Oh ewww darksplash, that one made my inner nerd cringe! I particularly hate "most favourite" - am grimacing as I type it now lol
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#466906 - Thu Apr 23 2009 04:15 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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Going slightly off topic (sorry) but have to add that the one that always makes me cringe on the news is when they talk about a 'fatal' gunshot, stabwound, crash etc. The next statement is always. The victim died. Um yes - what do you think fatal means?

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#466907 - Thu Apr 23 2009 04:19 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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I saw an interview of a baseball player from Stanford University who said, "...well, I just swang at the first good pitch."

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#466908 - Thu Apr 23 2009 04:20 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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Staying with Midget off topic here, but "brutal murder" always seems a bit strange - as opposed to a gentle one?

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#466909 - Thu Apr 23 2009 06:20 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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The overuse of the word "separate" on radio and TV news bulletins annoys me - as in "last night there were two separate plane crashes in the USA and Canada."

The USA and Canada are different countries, of course these are separate crashes...the word "two" even denotes that.

One of the guilty is a friend of mine who is a TV reporter. Debating this subject, I once asked him how many children he had " Two boys" he said. "Is that two seperate boys then..."?
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#466910 - Thu Apr 23 2009 07:51 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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A new one on me is "dove"; not the bird but as in "He dove off the port side of the Titanic".




This is correct usage, as "dived" is not a word.
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#466911 - Thu Apr 23 2009 09:07 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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Just checked in my Concise Oxford, Dave, and "dived" is the correct term in British English, while "dove" is the preferred American word. This one is a case of both being correct, depending on where you come from.

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#466912 - Thu Apr 23 2009 09:55 PM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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"last night there were two separate plane crashes in the USA and Canada."

The USA and Canada are different countries, of course these are separate crashes...the word "two" even denotes that.




They don't have to be separate crashes. Maybe they collided at the border and one fell on each side!

I confess I'd never heard that "dove" was considered incorrect on the other side of the pond. I knew "dived" was an option but it seems so wrong to me. Common language, indeed!
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#466913 - Fri Apr 24 2009 12:17 AM Re: Quiz corrections etiquette
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They don't have to be separate crashes. Maybe they collided at the border and one fell on each side!




In that case, where would the survivors be buried?
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