#468422 - Wed Apr 22 2009 11:21 AM
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On giving this more thought, I guess I'd say it depends on what is taking place in the house I am visiting. Perhaps if it's more of a formal party and I've gotten dressed up, with shoes as part of the outfit, then I might keep on them, walk into the dining room with them, have them on while eating, etc. But on an everyday basis, if I am just hanging out at a friend's house and we're sitting on the couch watching tv, definitely a shoes-off situation  Having comfortable indoor shoes or slippers isn't uncommon though, for people who do want something on their feet. The custom, I think, is really of not wearing the shoes you were just wearing outside inside someone's home. My mom is very particular about her clean floor. I get scolded for walking to the kitchen to put down something I've carried in from outside if I don't take my shoes off at the rug at the front door. 
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#468423 - Wed Apr 22 2009 11:23 AM
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Knitted slippers aren't adequate - for medical problems, you need shoes with arch support and thick soles.
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#468426 - Wed Apr 22 2009 11:35 AM
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Hmm, I wonder if that's why my grandparents always wear some kind of shoe/sandal in the house, they are both diabetic and have a slew of other medical problems as well. My grandma's latest favourite is Mary Janes-style crocs. I dislike crocs, but they do seem like a good choice for comfy indoor shoes 
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#468428 - Wed Apr 22 2009 11:43 AM
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It's true overshoes are not as popular anymore ysmay, and yes, your grandpa could then keep his shoes on inside the house. The bottom line in Canadian culture is not to wear shoes that have touched the ground outside, inside.
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#468429 - Wed Apr 22 2009 11:48 AM
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yes, your grandpa could then keep his shoes on inside the house.
Thanks MadMags! I thought that's what I remembered, but it's been so long. I was chuckling at the image of a shoe pile at the door - soooo familiar. Digging for shoes after several drinks ... trying to put shoes on standing up after several drinks ... Not that I was a lush (quite the opposite), but it was a challenge sometimes.
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#468430 - Wed Apr 22 2009 12:48 PM
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Oh goodness, it is certainly is a trial to look for one's shows at the end of a big house party! Not entirely uncommon within my group of friends to have a shoe go missing, usually from an honest mistake of someone putting on the wrong shoes in an inebriated state, or someone "borrowing" them to go outside for a cigarette because they couldn't find their own shoes..
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#468431 - Wed Apr 22 2009 03:59 PM
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Shoes off coming into my house too - being on a farm god only knows what will get walked in .. burrs, dirt and so on. A friend once brought a Canadian girl to see a real outback station and she actually noted the pile of boots at the back door and said that it was just like home .. and then she walked in without taking hers off. LOL I was so confused. 
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#468432 - Wed Apr 22 2009 04:06 PM
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He doesn't even place his knife and fork together and at an angle when he has finished eating his meal.
See, again, I think this differs from place to place. I was always taught that "at an angle" indicated that you hadn't finished eating, and that when you had finished, they should be together, with the handles pointed back directly at you - perpendicular to the edge of the table. But I have certainly heard of the other, and believe it may be different again in other places.
Shoes - in New Zealand there is no hard and fast rule - it completely comes down to the individual. As people have suggested, I think climate plays a huge part, as we are fairly temperate, so would not be tracking snow through anywhere.
My general rule when entering someone's house is - a) if my shoes are known to be dirty, take them off no matter what. b) if I know they are clean, I look to see whether there is a collection of shoes just inside the door. This usually indicates whether the hosts, or any other guests, have chosen to remove their shoes, and I would follow suit.
Of course, come summer, all of this would be moot, because I would say I spend 9/10 of the time I'm not at work barefoot...
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#468433 - Wed Apr 22 2009 04:37 PM
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#468434 - Wed Apr 22 2009 04:56 PM
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Everyone here takes their shoes off at the door. We all have nice clean tiled floors which are washed daily. There are slippers provided at the entrance. Like Mark I am nearly always barefoot indoors. Dippo, I had never even thought of things other than food being passed by hand. Thanks for that and I will remember.
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#468435 - Wed Apr 22 2009 07:11 PM
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This is a very interesting discussion. Forks--did anyone see this video link on the Metafilter site Jabberwok posted on page 2? It shows how to eat off the back of your fork. Too bad the lady does it without food.  We've just had a set of English guests from Ireland, and a set of Scottish guests from Australia, and did not notice how they used their forks! In Colombia, when you've finished eating you rest your fork and knife on the plate with the handles on the rim at 7:00 and 5:00 o'clock and the tines/blade crossed in the center. Kisses--boy, do I know the South American greeting...but I'm astonished to hear of Brits doing it! French and Spanish and Italians, yes! But the reserved British? I thought New Englanders got their stiff reserve from the Old Englanders. Shoes--when I've traveled through Canada, everyone took their shoes off to enter a house, whether they lived in the city or a rural area, and whether their shoes were clean or dirty. Here in Alaska, city people usually wear their shoes inside but in rural areas you nearly always take them off. If you have snow or mud or sand or gravel all over them, that's only logical. To avoid unlacing and relacing his boots, if my husband needs to dash in for a moment he slips plastic grocery bags over his boots and shuffles across the floor.  I greatly appreciate his care.
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#468438 - Wed Apr 22 2009 08:23 PM
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This is such an interesting thread!
Let's see, in Argentina people hold the fork with the left hand, the tines facing up, and the knife with the right hand. And it is considered very bad manners to put your elbows on the table.
The kissing thing... when people meet their relatives and friends they'll give them a kiss on the cheek. The same goes when we say 'goodbye'. And when meeting someone for the first time, I'd say that almost always people kiss them on the cheek when saying 'hello' and when saying 'goodbye'. Kissing strangers is something that I've never been really comfortable with, despite having been born here!
And the shoes - nobody takes their shoes off when going inside their house/apartment. But I do take my shoes off, and then put slippers on. I'm like ClaraSue, I think about the things that are there on the ground when we walk and it's just gross! But I don't know of anyone over here that takes their shoes off inside their house.
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#468441 - Thu Apr 23 2009 04:48 AM
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I am going to France in a few weeks time so might remember to look when we have lunch.
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#468443 - Thu Apr 23 2009 08:32 AM
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Did you not have a set of Irish guests from Ireland???
These people are proudly (not arrogantly) and decidedly English; they just happen to live in Ireland, where they feel like foreigners. 
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#468444 - Thu Apr 23 2009 06:15 PM
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It's really interesting hearing about etiquette across the globe. I was having pizza tonight and wondering how people eat it - for those who have pizza. Or is pizza not common? That would be interesting too. Here in New York it's everywhere - especially the thin crust type. People here fold their pizza vertically (not horizontally) and eat it with their hands. Sometimes while they're walking! It's really fast food. Growing up in Western Canada, thick-crusted pizza could be picked up in the hand, but never folded, and any pizza could be eaten with a knife and fork. Thin crust (sloppy-type) pizza was always eaten with knife and fork. But my friends here are still teasing me about the first time I tried that here  . Just curious... Y
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#468445 - Thu Apr 23 2009 06:20 PM
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My mom is horrified when I don't eat my pizza with a knife and fork at a restaurant. I will if it's really sloppy and falling apart and a knife and work makes it easier, or if I'm in a super nice place, but on a normal basis, just at a pizza place, I use my hands. Pizza is a finger food to me.
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