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#474743 - Thu Jun 04 2009 02:57 PM New Question Game
JMElston Prolific Registered: Sat Aug 05 2006 Posts: 1574 Loc: Grayslake Illinois USA	Wouldn't 8 or 12 hours be better for the game period? Just my opinion. Happy Trivia! _________________________ Immortal #4, #8, #15, #18, #6, #6, #5, #5, #4, #7, #4, #12, #15, #48, #26, #19, #__, #__, #16 (GC2-20) Who Am I? Editor since June 17, 2008 - June 30, 2013
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#474744 - Thu Jun 04 2009 03:11 PM Re: New Question Game
Terry Head Honcho Registered: Wed Dec 31 1969 Posts: 21448 Loc: USA	Yes, it's just a test session right now. The following changes will likely be made: 1. Move to 20 sets to avoid cheating 2. 12 hour running time 3. Severe time penalty to completely discourage googlers. I'm thinking 2 points / second up to 90 seconds, 5 points / second after 90 seconds. 4. More base points awarded. Edited by Terry (Thu Jun 04 2009 03:16 PM)
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#474745 - Thu Jun 04 2009 03:58 PM Re: New Question Game
flopsymopsy Administrator Registered: Sat May 17 2008 Posts: 5470 Loc: Northampton England UK	Would it be possible to limit the number of questions in each set that come from a particular category? I just had three Sports questions, and two Television questions. I did get one of the Television questions right but don't think I can count on being rescued by Postman Pat every day, lol. _________________________ The Hubble Telescope has just picked up a sound from a fraction of a second before the Big Bang. The sound was "Uh oh".
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#474746 - Thu Jun 04 2009 04:00 PM Re: New Question Game
salami_swami Forum Champion Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007 Posts: 8760 Loc: Colorado USA	Maybe something like 20 questions, at LEAST one per category? There are 18 categories, so you would get repeats, but not many... :-) Although, my guess is that sports and tv have the most questions submitted (I know I have a LOT of TV questions), so that is why the repetition... _________________________ "The only water in the forest is the River." Editor: Video Games, Entertainment
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#474747 - Thu Jun 04 2009 04:00 PM Re: New Question Game
Terry Head Honcho Registered: Wed Dec 31 1969 Posts: 21448 Loc: USA	Hmm could, but I sort of like the completely random mix right now. I'm noticing with interest that a good number of the questions are too difficult for most of our hourly games. This question has been answered correctly 0/11 times so far, lol: "In which book were the lyrics for "Jesus Loves Me" first written?" Needless to say, it won't make it to the general question pool. Neither will "Which Mediterranean island was ceded to Spain by Britain in the Treaty Of Amiens in 1802?", with a correctness of 9%.
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#474748 - Thu Jun 04 2009 04:01 PM Re: New Question Game
Terry Head Honcho Registered: Wed Dec 31 1969 Posts: 21448 Loc: USA	Actually, I could probably shove them into obscurity.
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#474749 - Thu Jun 04 2009 04:02 PM Re: New Question Game
Anton Mainstay Registered: Sat May 03 2008 Posts: 926 Loc: California USA	Quote: 3. Severe time penalty to completely discourage googlers. I'm thinking 2 points / second up to 90 seconds, 5 points / second after 90 seconds. I love this idea.
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#474750 - Thu Jun 04 2009 04:41 PM Re: New Question Game
Rowena8482 Prolific Registered: Mon Mar 12 2007 Posts: 1408 Loc: Hartlepool Durham England UK	Quote: Quote: 3. Severe time penalty to completely discourage googlers. I'm thinking 2 points / second up to 90 seconds, 5 points / second after 90 seconds. I love this idea. me too _________________________ It is better to open your eyes and say you do not understand, than to close your eyes and say you do not believe.
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#474751 - Thu Jun 04 2009 04:58 PM Re: New Question Game
JMElston Prolific Registered: Sat Aug 05 2006 Posts: 1574 Loc: Grayslake Illinois USA	How about 100 seconds as the breakpoint, 10 seconds per question? Happy Trivia! _________________________ Immortal #4, #8, #15, #18, #6, #6, #5, #5, #4, #7, #4, #12, #15, #48, #26, #19, #__, #__, #16 (GC2-20) Who Am I? Editor since June 17, 2008 - June 30, 2013
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#474752 - Thu Jun 04 2009 05:02 PM Re: New Question Game
supersal1 Mainstay Registered: Sat Jul 17 2004 Posts: 727 Loc: Essex UK	I like all the ideas apart from the 12 hour running time, I quite like the idea of 4 a day. I had three science questions in my set. You can go off of people. Naming no names but you know who I mean Jonno. Perhaps 15 questions as a compromise?
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#474753 - Thu Jun 04 2009 05:19 PM Re: New Question Game
JMElston Prolific Registered: Sat Aug 05 2006 Posts: 1574 Loc: Grayslake Illinois USA	Supersal1, as originally defined the game was to be played only once per day with a random starting time and a 6 hour play window. That is why I requested a longer play period, to give more players (like me) a chance at catching the game as it went past. Only Terry knows how it will end up. Happy Trivia! _________________________ Immortal #4, #8, #15, #18, #6, #6, #5, #5, #4, #7, #4, #12, #15, #48, #26, #19, #__, #__, #16 (GC2-20) Who Am I? Editor since June 17, 2008 - June 30, 2013
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#474754 - Thu Jun 04 2009 05:27 PM Re: New Question Game
salami_swami Forum Champion Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007 Posts: 8760 Loc: Colorado USA	By shoving them into obscurity, does that mean that some of the questions that were rejected because it is "too obscure/difficult/specific" could actually go online? That would be nice... Make the questions easy to difficult, not easy to intermediate.. In which case, if you make it so the harder questions can still go online, is there any way to "resurrect" the ones that were rejected because of being too obscure? I have a few of them, which I didn't think were too obscure... It would be nice to get the difficult ones in obscurity. :-) _________________________ "The only water in the forest is the River." Editor: Video Games, Entertainment
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#474755 - Thu Jun 04 2009 05:41 PM Re: New Question Game
salami_swami Forum Champion Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007 Posts: 8760 Loc: Colorado USA	Is it also possible to get a mention of how many questions we've had accepted on our profile page? And maybe, once a question appears in the new question game, it becomes a link, and you can see how it has been rated? _________________________ "The only water in the forest is the River." Editor: Video Games, Entertainment
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#474756 - Thu Jun 04 2009 05:48 PM Re: New Question Game
Terry Head Honcho Registered: Wed Dec 31 1969 Posts: 21448 Loc: USA	<< Supersal1, as originally defined the game was to be played only once per day with a random starting time and a 6 hour play window. >> This game may not run at all for days, if we don't get new question submissions. This game will run "as questions become available". That may or may not be every day.
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#474757 - Thu Jun 04 2009 07:00 PM Re: New Question Game
Lones78 Prolific Registered: Mon Apr 27 2009 Posts: 1498 Loc: Forrestfield Westernï¿½Austral...	I love this new game. No one has an advantage over anyone else and nobody can be accused of cheating or remembering answers either. Great idea Terry _________________________ In the process of thinking up something deep and meaningful to have as a signature line...
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#474758 - Thu Jun 04 2009 10:04 PM Re: New Question Game
Buddy1 Mainstay Registered: Wed Oct 15 2008 Posts: 871 Loc: Arkansas USA	Quote: Perhaps 15 questions as a compromise? I think that implies there are 20 questions either currently or "in the talk". As I recall, the game had only 10 questions. I also don't believe there is any mention of increasing the questions. Where did you read that? I like the idea of having 10 questions a set--and not because it's easier to get a perfect score. I think the 10 questions should stay. Quote: Quote: Quote: 3. Severe time penalty to completely discourage googlers. I'm thinking 2 points / second up to 90 seconds, 5 points / second after 90 seconds. I love this idea. me too Sorry. Not me. I'd have to say if we have to increasing times (then how about 1 point / second up to 90 second, 2 p/s afterwards. Personally, I would like to see 1 point / second the entire game or 2 p/s the entire game, but I can understand if you want to increase the penalty throughout the game. Edited by Buddy1 (Thu Jun 04 2009 10:06 PM)
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#474759 - Thu Jun 04 2009 10:59 PM Re: New Question Game
Anton Mainstay Registered: Sat May 03 2008 Posts: 926 Loc: California USA	Quote: Sorry. Not me. I'd have to say if we have to increasing times (then how about 1 point / second up to 90 second, 2 p/s afterwards. Personally, I would like to see 1 point / second the entire game or 2 p/s the entire game, but I can understand if you want to increase the penalty throughout the game. The problem with that is the googlers will still win. The expert is 2 points per second, it doesn't nullify them.
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#474760 - Fri Jun 05 2009 12:14 AM Re: New Question Game
Leau Forum Champion Registered: Sun Jun 16 2002 Posts: 5337 Loc: Nijmegen/Brisbane	Is there a way to see how you did on the last game when there's currently no game running? _________________________ The cost of living has not affected its popularity - Loesje
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#474761 - Fri Jun 05 2009 12:59 AM Re: New Question Game
gillimalta Forum Adept Registered: Sat Apr 05 2008 Posts: 142 Loc: Ruthin, North Wales	You stole my thunder, Leau! I was just about to ask that.......! _________________________ Just Alassin Sane...
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#474762 - Fri Jun 05 2009 01:32 AM Re: New Question Game
Leau Forum Champion Registered: Sun Jun 16 2002 Posts: 5337 Loc: Nijmegen/Brisbane	I guess we're just equally curious about our previous results. Either that, or we're both overlooking some very obvious way of getting to those results! _________________________ The cost of living has not affected its popularity - Loesje
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#474763 - Fri Jun 05 2009 01:35 AM Re: New Question Game
Anton Mainstay Registered: Sat May 03 2008 Posts: 926 Loc: California USA	Quote: I guess we're just equally curious about our previous results. Either that, or we're both overlooking some very obvious way of getting to those results! You know how many you got right. You know whether you won or lost. What else is there to know?
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#474764 - Fri Jun 05 2009 01:39 AM Re: New Question Game
Rowena8482 Prolific Registered: Mon Mar 12 2007 Posts: 1408 Loc: Hartlepool Durham England UK	Quote: By shoving them into obscurity, does that mean that some of the questions that were rejected because it is "too obscure/difficult/specific" could actually go online? That would be nice... Make the questions easy to difficult, not easy to intermediate.. In which case, if you make it so the harder questions can still go online, is there any way to "resurrect" the ones that were rejected because of being too obscure? I have a few of them, which I didn't think were too obscure... It would be nice to get the difficult ones in obscurity. :-) Would it "work" (and I don't mean this as a 'cheat' just as an idea to save having to tinker with the whole system) if we "swapped" questions? When one is refused because it says the player has submitted it previously, but it's the system catching it by accident, could someone else submit that Q? People could get together and swap a Q each if that makes sense? Or is this a really bad idea... I have 2 so far rejected for being too difficult and it would be nice to see them find a home. _________________________ It is better to open your eyes and say you do not understand, than to close your eyes and say you do not believe.
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#474765 - Fri Jun 05 2009 01:47 AM Re: New Question Game
jmorrow Prolific Registered: Wed Oct 08 2008 Posts: 1574 Loc: Singapore	I like the new game too, and I agree that 10 questions is probably the right amount for each session. However, I was wondering if the rating for the questions are skewing more on the difficult side because of the random nature of the game? The difficulty ratings for other questions on FT are largely based on plays on quizzes, and I think that most members play quizzes on topics that they know something about, or in which they have an interest at least. Even for the GC and most of the hourlies, the questions are grouped into the the main categories on FT, so most people would play the areas that they can answer, unless you're playing in hardcore mode. To use myself as an example, I wouldn't normally play Video Games or Sports because I probably wouldn't be able to answer even the simplest questions in these categories. The new game works slightly differently, in that you don't have a choice in the category of questions for each round. Terry has stated that the questions being submitted for QQ are still too difficult, but I suspect that the difficulty rating would change quite dramatically if people could choose the categories they wanted to play. If the idea for the QQ is to generate more questions which the average person (i.e. the ubiquitous next door neighbour) can answer, then that's fine. It's just going to get tougher and tougher to come up with interesting, original and easy questions that haven't already been asked on FT. Just my 2 cents. Sorry if I'm not making much sense - I had a rather huge lunch and I think all the blood is being diverted from my brain to help in the digestion process!
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#474766 - Fri Jun 05 2009 02:07 AM Re: New Question Game
Terry Head Honcho Registered: Wed Dec 31 1969 Posts: 21448 Loc: USA	<< The new game works slightly differently, in that you don't have a choice in the category of questions for each round. >> And you don't have a choice in the daily game, the mixed game, much of the GC, easy/hard game, etc either. The method for determining difficulty in the new player game is actually far superior to the "in-quiz" method that is normally used for precisely the opposite reasons that you mentioned above. Most daily games are NOT niche-topic selecting. They are general games where players are expected to have a more general knowledge.
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#474767 - Fri Jun 05 2009 02:07 AM Re: New Question Game
Leau Forum Champion Registered: Sun Jun 16 2002 Posts: 5337 Loc: Nijmegen/Brisbane	Quote: Quote: I guess we're just equally curious about our previous results. Either that, or we're both overlooking some very obvious way of getting to those results! You know how many you got right. You know whether you won or lost. What else is there to know? Huh? There's no winning or losing in that game... I don't remember how many I got right but even if I did, I was sound asleep when the 6-hour game period was over, so there was no way of knowing my final rank. _________________________ The cost of living has not affected its popularity - Loesje
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