#474768 - Fri Jun 05 2009 02:18 AM
Re: New Question Game
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Mainstay
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I guess we're just equally curious about our previous results. Either that, or we're both overlooking some very obvious way of getting to those results! 
You know how many you got right. You know whether you won or lost. What else is there to know?
Huh? There's no winning or losing in that game... I don't remember how many I got right but even if I did, I was sound asleep when the 6-hour game period was over, so there was no way of knowing my final rank.
No winning or losing? Check again.
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#474769 - Fri Jun 05 2009 02:20 AM
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There's winning, no losing though. And not everyone's in it for the wins and the badges. Some people still want to know if they came 21st or 22nd.
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#474770 - Fri Jun 05 2009 02:52 AM
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I definitely would prefer to keep the 10 question format because it means the game will run more often (and thus more badges will become available). But a 12-hour window is better, that way no one can miss a complete game while sleeping, something perfectly possible in a 6-hour setup. Also, keep the number of sets at 10 - the cheat potential is only ONE badge and frankly, anyone risking their whole FT account for this one badge deserves it...
I'd like a setup that keeps the questions to one per category, however. With 10 questions, this should easily be possible. Stricter time penalty at 90 is good, that's just GC speed.
Lastly, however, I had another idea: Could people of higher levels get to play more than one set just for the FT points and to review the questions? Only the first set would count for badge and ranking, but you could get points and see more interesting questions, plus the question pool would benefit from increased reviewing by experienced members. How about an extra set each at 30, 50, 70, 90 - similar to point tree, but 10 levels higher?
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#474771 - Fri Jun 05 2009 04:22 AM
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Registered: Mon Mar 12 2007
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Loc: Hartlepool Durham England UK
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The new game works slightly differently, in that you don't have a choice in the category of questions for each round. >>
And you don't have a choice in the daily game, the mixed game, much of the GC, easy/hard game, etc either.
The method for determining difficulty in the new player game is actually far superior to the "in-quiz" method that is normally used for precisely the opposite reasons that you mentioned above.
Most daily games are NOT niche-topic selecting. They are general games where players are expected to have a more general knowledge.
But the daily and mixed have one question from each main category, so (to use myself as an example) the chances of me not knowing the sport, TV and video game Q are high, but not disastrous, and I can guess. Likewise in the GC, you can choose the category to play, or choose not to play a particular cat in hardcore. Same for the hourlies, you can choose not to play or "take the hit" of a low score if it's a subject you don't do well at.
The obscure and GM Madness are much more random, and (until this recent outbreak of googlers to left and googlers to the right and times in the 400+) the scores reflected this - 10 was a GREAT score not so long ago. Even the rash of 15s now seem to be due to research, so not really "knowledge" as such on those games. Totally random is harder, unless one gets lucky in the selection of course - my favourite sets are ones where purely by chance I can clock a great score in a short time because the Qs just seem to "fall right" 
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#474772 - Fri Jun 05 2009 04:51 AM
Re: New Question Game
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Registered: Thu May 15 2003
Posts: 725
Loc: Baltimore
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I guess we're just equally curious about our previous results. Either that, or we're both overlooking some very obvious way of getting to those results!
On the left-hand side of the home page, there is a "My Results" link which takes you to a list of all the daily and hourly games played recently. I just checked, and "New Questions" is included. I came in 26/33 in my question set 
p.s. I'm a Gold Member, don't know if it looks the same for non-GM.
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#474776 - Fri Jun 05 2009 07:24 AM
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I definitely don't like hard cutoffs in any game - it is highly frustrating to see a good effort ruined by a brief network delay (and as a hardcore GC player, I've really come to hate the number 131). However, very stiff penalties that make exceeding a "cutoff" time by more than a few seconds are fair game.
IMO, the ideal setup on games designed to discourage googling would look something like
1 per second on everything below 7 (or 8) secs per question,
5 or 10 per second on times between 7/8 and 10 per question,
and then 50 per second on everything beyond the 10 seconds per question limit.
This makes sure that
(a) in the reasonably fast zone, no score with fewer corrects will beat a higher correctness.
(b) in the middle zone, you quickly lose some points for going too slowly or googling
(c) once you exceed the upper threshold, your scores plummet, but without a frustrating "1 second too slow, a thousand points lost" barrier.
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#474778 - Fri Jun 05 2009 07:47 AM
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Tougher time penalties, to even the playing field, can cause some to score 0's of they get a set of questions outside of their realm of knowledge.
But, isn't that the point? If you do poorly, it means that you don't know anything about that subject - you are *supposed* to do poorly.
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#474780 - Fri Jun 05 2009 08:31 AM
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I certainly agree with spanishliz. The only place I would consider a lookup is in Obscure going for the Researcher badge, and I haven't tried that in quite a while. I'm just somewhat slower due to oldage and a 10 year old PC. I do get frustrated when my 15/15 or 10/10 gets beaten by a 13/15 or 8/10, but I'll keep putting up with it, since this is still the best site around.
Happy Trivia!
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#474783 - Fri Jun 05 2009 08:54 AM
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Registered: Sun Jun 24 2007
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Loc: California USA
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The new game sounds great! I look forward to playing it.
Pardon my ignorance on this but where is the link for this new game? I found one in the announcement thread on the chat boards but when I clicked on that link, I only got an error screen.
Thanks!
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#474785 - Fri Jun 05 2009 09:09 AM
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OK, thanks. Next question: How do we know when the game is running?
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#474786 - Fri Jun 05 2009 09:27 AM
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It comes up in the buzz but I added it to my favourites and just click on it periodically to see if anything is happening.
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#474787 - Fri Jun 05 2009 09:29 AM
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Also, a quick question with this game, will it always start at a certain point during the hour that it starts or is it truly random?
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#474791 - Fri Jun 05 2009 10:04 AM
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Registered: Mon Mar 12 2007
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On the little survey thing on the answer page, can we have an "I got it right but it was a total guess" option? :D It would have been handy for 4 of the 7 I just managed to get right lol
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