#482108 - Sat Jul 18 2009 11:13 AM
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Mainstay
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I submitted a question yesterday which has been rejected as being similar to one that's already been accepted.
I deleted it and re-entered it just to see if I'd overlooked a question already there - I hadn't, there was nothing remotely resembling my question on the list.
No big deal but it does rather make it look as if I've just decided to ignore the list and press on with my question anyway. Is there a separate list somewhere that perhaps only the editors can view?
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#482109 - Sat Jul 18 2009 11:19 AM
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There are DOZENS of questions coming through lately that are very very similar to questions already in the quizzes - so it seems you are not alone Sal, many (probably new) authors are finding that the search is telling them their questions are original! As a contrast - I tried asking a new question earlier today and the search came up with SEVEN questions that were almost carbon copies of each other!
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#482111 - Sat Jul 18 2009 11:58 AM
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A question with 4 'correct' answers is ambiguous to say the least - hence it's rejection.
If all 4 answers are 'correct' how is the SYSTEM supposed to know which one is correct, and score accordingly?
Slightly correct, a little bit correct, perhaps correct, probably correct, does NOT make for a good question IMHO.
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#482112 - Sat Jul 18 2009 12:31 PM
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Perhaps skumma means that *the* correct answer was "all these answers are correct" and this was disallowed.
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#482113 - Sat Jul 18 2009 01:15 PM
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I've just read my original post and it was as clear as mud! Yes, I've seen plenty of questions that already pop up all the time on FT.
However, I entered a question, read through the five options that came up as 'similar', found nothing like my question and submitted it.
It was rejected by an editor as being too similar to another question already in the challenge, so I was really wondering (a) why wasn't it picked up on the original check and (b) do the editors have a different list to check from.
As I said, I didn't want it to come across as if I'd noticed the similarity and decided to plough on regardless.
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#482116 - Wed Jul 22 2009 07:03 PM
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Registered: Tue May 26 2009
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This was probably me, because I think I do most of the single question editing in Literature. Was there a reason why you put "editor" in inverted commas?
My apologies for not answering sooner; there are many "Question Quiz" topics, and I only looked for this one 'cause just today I got one rejected for the same exact reason even though there's a similar question about the opposite of what I'm asking. Anyway, I put "editor" in quotations because I don't know, or if stated, didn't remember the editor's name who rejected it; so, that's the reason. It's not meant as an insult, or anything.
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Obviously I can't remember your question word for word, but I do remember rejecting a number of questions for time/date dependency when I edited yesterday or the day before.
At this point I don't remember the question; however, the one today that got rejected was in History or People, whichever. One of them.
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What we "editors" are conscious of is that these questions will be online for years to come. I believe that the single questions in the Question Quest will eventually end up in the database for the daily mixed quizzes.
What I'm noticing is that the more difficult questions I create are accepted yet the easier ones I create are not. Yet, it asks you when creating a question for it to be easy to intermediate. Like the one that I just had rejected today was really easy yet there was one just like it (but opposite, somewhat) that was harder.
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For example, let's say you have a question which refers to a series having three books in it. With contemporary living authors, there is always the danger that they will decide to produce another book in the series. So at some point in the future, your question may become invalid. J.K. Rowling has said numerous times in interviews that she will only write seven Harry Potter books, but she could always change her mind, couldn't she?
I remember it now. It was the Diana Gabaldon one. However, I didn't state in the I.I. that there were only 9 in the series what I stated in the I.I. was that there were currently 9 in the series; I could've reworded it, I think asking one to edit the I.I. instead of just rejecting it 'cause of time/dependent would be better than just rejecting it all together; 'cause the question I posed asked a specific question about a specific book but the I.I. mentioned the series of the books; I think. I don't know, doesn't matter now, it's gone.
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Edited to add a P.S. Sometimes the question itself is technically okay but the interesting information contains the time-based problem. All you need to do is amend your II and resubmit.
I guess I can see why my one rejected today was rejected but that other one is in there. Weird. Either it's an older question before the rules, a part of a broader quiz (as stated by another member in another topic as a possibility), or it was accepted anyway either unknowingly or knowingly. eh.
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#482117 - Wed Jul 22 2009 09:36 PM
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Okay, got another rejection. I placed the category (I believe) in People, and the comment I got back was that speaking about musicians should be about their work and not about their life. If I chose the section "Music" I could understand this but I believe I chose "People" 'cause I wanted to talk about the person; isn't that what "People" is for?
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#482118 - Thu Jul 23 2009 03:35 AM
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No, as it states in the guidelines, People doesn't accept quizzes about musicians as these belong in Music. Likewise sportsmen in Sport and, the one that we most often get given incorrectly, politicians should go in World.
Whilst you can get a question about a musician into a Mixed People quiz, individual questions in the Quest should be submitted to Music.
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#482121 - Thu Jul 23 2009 06:56 AM
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Personally, I don't allow "All of these" answers in the Quest but I can't speak for all editors. I'm perfectly happy to see them in quizzes but in the Quest where questions are specifically designed for timed games etc. I think they should be avoided.
Likewise I won't accept any question that tries to make itself easier by having three completely implausible wrong options (eg Which playwright...? Options: William Shakespeare, Mike Tyson, Anna Nicole Smith, Dan Quayle) . The question alone should determine the level of difficulty.
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#482124 - Thu Jul 23 2009 10:02 AM
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"Which playwright...? Options: William Shakespeare, Mike Tyson, Anna Nicole Smith, Dan Quayle" Oh c'mon - it's pretty obvious the answer is Dan Quayle!
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#482126 - Thu Jul 23 2009 11:04 AM
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Likewise I won't accept any question that tries to make itself easier by having three completely implausible wrong options (eg Which playwright...? Options: William Shakespeare, Mike Tyson, Anna Nicole Smith, Dan Quayle) . The question alone should determine the level of difficulty.
But keep in mind that a QQ is deeper than a quiz. It doesn't any relationship correlation as a quiz does, and more of a global audience is playing the single question. Tyson, Smith (Vicki Lynn Hogan), and potato head may be obvious to you and me, but not others who are geographically separated from us. What might be three ridiculous answer options in a quiz question, may not be so much in a QQ. :-)
I agree with Nightmare. If there's a question with, say, rap artists, I might have absolutely no idea that "of course there's no such person as 'S*Lim*my Umma-d-LOW ma'you-know-da-rest'* gees c'mon even my little sister knows THAT one." On the other hand, it might seem perfectly feasible to someone else that Margaret Thatcher wrote Air on a G-String (ooh, I apologise for any images that may have conjured up...  )
I admit I have sometimes tried to 'soften the blow' by making one or two answers outrageous, but it almost always, if anything, seems to make the question harder! 
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#482129 - Fri Jul 24 2009 10:18 AM
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Great point, Wesley, about the question you end up asking sometimes being a sort of 'disguise' for asking something else. I've noticed that quite a lot - with one of mine, for instance, I asked about the source of the amber used in Polish and Latvian jewellery. What I was essentially asking was "which sea do Poland and Latvia have coasts on?" but the bit about amber made it (hopefully!) a little more interesting.
I guess it's like they say about writing novels - there are only ever four stories being retold over and over again (except I can never remember what the four stories are supposed to be!) There are only so many things to ask about in this world (granted, way more than four!), so it sometimes comes down to how you ask the question.
This comes up sometimes too with 'duplicate' questions (which was discussed earlier in this thread I think). Very early on in the QQ I wrote a question asking which middle name was shared by John Lennon and former Aus PM John Howard. There was already a Q asking for Howard's middle name, and I think possibly one for Lennon's too, but I figured that by combining the two it was essentially a new question. Also, you make it easier by being able to pick up those who know either, instead of just one or the other!
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