I couldn't agree more Starfish.

We have seen two phases of the game so far, the Jessie/Natalie/Ronnie/Chima alliance in power and the Jeff/Jordan/Russell/Michelle alliance in power. There will have to be a third phase which will be if J/J/R & M are the final four and they have to start competing against each other. If Jeff breaks J/J/R & M alliance this week, that will add another phase to the game.

I couldn't see last night, how from the way Russell laid it out in terms of getting to the final four and taking his chances from there was vague or misleading. What he was saying seemed to go right over Jeff's head, Michelle not backing Russell up when he's talking doesn't help.

Of all the players, Russell seemed the less paranoid last night, which probably means he will go home this week lol.

I think Jeff's nuts if he breaks his F4 alliance while Natalie AND Kevin are still in the house. It would make more sense to take out Natalie in order to get an insurmountable lead in the numbers first. Jeff is believing Natalie and Kevin when they say Russ is coming after him. Even if that's true, who does he think they will go after if he gets rid of Russ?

Either Natalie, Kevin, or Russ will be going home this week. The two of those who are left in the house will almost certainly come after Jeff as their main target.

It was a huge mistake in my opinion to get rid of Lydia instead of Natalie. Lydia might have been an extremely annoying roommate, but she was zero threat in the game in terms of winning competitions. Jordan's playing too personal -- her original target was Natalie, but she flipped that quickly once Lydia called her a "fat ho". (I think it was the "fat" part that really ticked her off...)

Jeff may have a tough road to the finals. This Thursday, he can't play for HOH, and 2 of the 4 who can will almost certainly put him up.

I agree that Lydia was not a physical threat at all in the game, but being around her was really beginning to wear thin on all of them - including Kevin. Even he admitted she was just too overdramatic and becoming quite tiresome. I watched them Wednesday night tie-dye shirts (a real treat for them considering how boring things are for them now without all the screaming matches with Chima) and even then Lydia's behavior toward the other houseguests was strange. She seemed oddly stressed out and openly agressive toward everyone, not willing to share her 'secrets' to good tie-dying with Jeff and becoming upset over sharing the color yellow. So bizarre. So in that respect, maybe they all just felt she needed to go. It would have been great to see her watch Natalie walk out that door and straight to seclusion with Jessie before her, but I imagine that would have just made life more miserable for the rest of them in the house!

As for Natalie, she has said on-camera that she has to now align herself and make nice with people she does not like in order to sustain her life in the game. I don't know whether this comment was encouraged by production or if she really feels that way, because she seems to be genuinely nice to everyone in the house. I don't think of her as a physical threat toward anyone there, since she hasn't won a single competition since the first HOH, but I do think she's got good intuition and has managed to plant a seed of doubt about Russell and Michele in Jeff/Jordan's minds.

If Jeff is smart, and he does seem to think that there's something fishy about Natalie's comments, he will still get her out no matter how nice she is. Then he will still have Russell and Michele believing they have a four-way alliance with him, thereby keeping the numbers in his favor. At this point I can see this becoming anyone's game, and I wouldn't mind seeing any of them (aside from Natalie) win.

If you don't watch the livefeeds online and/or read updates on the CBS forums the following contains a huge spoiler in regards to tomorrow's episode.






































































Turns out Jeff ended up winning the Power of Veto and he had used it on Kevin with Russell as the replacement nominee. Looks like Jeff is trusting Kevin and Natalie more then Russell, huge mistake if you ask me. I can't believe one "lie" from his former enemies causes him to get so paranoid to try to get rid of Russell. Of course when you get to the final 4 you'd have to go after your alliance why couldn't he waited 2 weeks for that? Now Kevin and Natalie have as just as much chance of winning as everyone else. I also think Jeff was not thinking about the jury, the jury as of now are friends with Natalie and Kevin and I'm pretty sure Jeff is going to lose a vote getting rid of Russell but you never know with that. I think by doing this there is no way Jeff will win "Big Brother". With Russell gone, Jeff is clearly the biggest threat competition wise he was actually a bigger threat then Russell anyway, I see pretty much everyone except for Jordan going after him next week. I honestly think getting rid of Russell this early in the game will be the downfall for Jeff.

Oh, boy. I haven't said much lately after watching the show -- mostly because I found it pretty disturbing (not even a little entertaining , for me) during the Chima mess. I felt like I was eavesdropping on a ward in a mental hospital there for a few days. But, since? I have to say: I almost think Jeff now deserves to lose . He was in such a good spot ... but went all sideways, as far as I see it. While it never once occurred to me that he was any Einstein, it seemed his instincts were pretty good from Day One. But, lately? It's like he's not thinking at all! Much of that, I'm sure, is his being unglued by (possibly unintentional?) "Jordan influence". I don't think she flubbed him up on purpose - but, were she a better player, clearly could have without much of a problem. There really still might be a small chance that Russell could save himself this week, yes? Let's face it, the votes he needs are in the hands of the two wobbliest people in the house (at least in terms of changing their minds and/or being persuaded). Russ has a strong personality. Just my opinion ... but I think he truly is the best player left, at this point.

I have to say that's a surprise. I know he's been leery of Russell, but to show his cards like this is risky. They could have gotten rid of Natalie, then went to work next week to get Russell out. Obviously everyone else also thinks Russell is getting too close to the 500K to let him stay in 'til the final three, he'd likely win that competition if it's a test of endurance. Jeff must be worried that Russell or Michele will get next HOH and he'll be out - BUT what if Natalie still goes home this week? Then Russell, who's been betrayed by Jeff, will raise hell and stress out the house with his tirades. Maybe production had a hand in Jeff's decision? I doubt Jordan has THAT much power over him!

I was checking out the popularity polls a little while ago and noticed a surprising trend. Ever since Saturday, which is about the time Jeff and Jordan started buying into Natalie and Kevin's lies and veering from their Final 4 alliance with Russ and Michelle, they've been dropping like stones in the polls! Prior to that Jeff and Jordan were consistently #1 and #2 in the polls for weeks. Jordan has now fallen all the way down to #8 with Jeff at #6 -- behind evicted houseguests Laura, Casey, and Braden! Who's now taking over the top spots? Michelle and Russell!

Who knows if this trend will continue, but the solid fan-backing of Jeff and Jordan has at least cracked, if not broken

Jeff has two days to get his wits back about him and think clearly about who he wants out and why.

Right now he seems to have lost it some, most likely from being cooped up in the house this long. Always a shame to see a good player crack like he has. It would be shame to see Russell go out like this, becaus Jeff lost it and listened only to Kevin and Natalie.

Natalie seems to be trying to take credit for a lot of the Last minute lie working, though I saw it as mostly Kevin's brainchild.

Russ is gone, Jeff has a target now and if he wants to get to the end, he, or Jordan, will most likely have to win Veto or HoH every week to get to final 2.

I think they should give out a special award at the end of this season, for most overly dramatic houseguest.

Well at least Jeff is making some moves! Jordan, Natalie and Kevin can't win much of anything so what else can Jeff do but all the dirty-work himself. Michele is smart, but she's too flighty and unpredictable. I hope she sticks with Jeff and Jordan and they can get Natalie out.....but I suppose that depends on who won HOH last night.

I did like Jeff and his gameplay up until joining up with Natalie and Kevin, which I think is worse then backdooring Russell. I felt for Jeff and that side of the house in the begining when Jessie held a lot of sway over the house. However, I do see Jeff becoming like Jessie was when he held the power over how things went in the house.

All the houseguests think this is going to be a quiet week in the house without drama. I am not fan of too much drama, but I will take that over the way the houseguests are ripping into each other visciously behind each others backs.

High School theme rings ture lol.

On another note, if Jeff or Natalie, more likely Jeff then Natalie, are voted out this week. That final four will consist of one person from each clique.

Jeesh, everything is upside-wherever now, isn't it? It's down to where I oughta be wondering who might (realistically) win ... and I'm stuck. It's pretty clear who won't win, I think? Jeff has totally blown it -- but he started doing that a couple of weeks ago, in my opinion. Chances are better than good that he'll take Jordan with him. If I had an (unscientific, imagine that *sigh*) hunch, I'd say the final two will be Kevin and Natalie (?). Which is a crazy change of what I'd have said a month ago . If it gets down to that I'd put my money on Kevin walking away with the cash. Good thing I'm not in there, though . I might be as oblivious, by now, as Jeff got! Had I not been reading elsewhere, I'd have not known that Michelle was so despised . I kinda liked her, and still do. But I don't watch the live feeds ... so I likely missed a lot.

I think the show (the TV episodes, anyway) should forget about the *in* houseguests, at this point, and focus much more on that Jury House . Things ought to be as juicy as the Dickens in there already! Wait 'til Jeff, then probably Jordan, show up! That could make for some real classic TV!

Gats, most of the folks who watch the feeds (at least at the places I hang out) really like Michelle -- she's now the one most everyone wants to win. Everyone was pulling for Jeff -- and a lot of folks are quite sad about his demise -- but now that it's obvious that Jeff's out the door, most are pulling for Michelle. Natalie, on the other hand, may be the most despised houseguest of all time -- even beating those Nerd Herd girls (Maggie, Ivette, April, Jennifer) from Season 6. So so so many things haven't been shown on the TV show (she lies, cheats, and steals), and I have not encountered a single person who is a Natalie fan.

Poor Jeff made a classic BB blunder -- taking out one of your own alliance members and leaving the numbers on the "other" side intact. I think the two hugest errors this year were taking out Lydia (Jordan's HOH) and taking out Russ (Jeff's HOH). Had they used those HOHs to get rid of Natalie and Kevin, they'd be left with Jeff's final 4 alliance + Lydia, who couldn't win a competition to save Jessie's life.

I'm hoping for a Michelle/Jordan finale, only because I cannot abide Natalie, and Kevin is repulsing me more and more each day. Any of them would be a fool to take Natalie to final 2, as she's probably got the jury votes to beat any of them. Most of them seem to be thinking that taking Jordan to the finals would be the best way to win, assuming that the jury would feel she got to the end simply by riding Jeff's coattails and wouldn't vote for her.

There's also still the presumed factor of America getting a jury vote, or at least a tie breaker vote (in the absence of Chima), which could possibly shake things up.

Anyone else feel gipped by this big twist Julie hyped that ended up being nothing more than money falling from the sky and Kevin discovering how greedy his fellow houseguests were? I, for one, thought it a bit crappy that even though no one was in a great hurry to rescue Kevin, Jeff was eventually the one to come to his rescue, yet Kevin still remains true to that awful Natalie.

I watched that Pandora's Box scene play out thinking that Kevin would have to finally see how Natalie is only thinking of herself. He confided all of this to Michele during BBAD, explaining that he and Natalie haven't been working together long, only since both of their partners had been eliminated from the game. He knows she's got all the votes in the jury house and taking her to the end would mean a second place finish for him. Too bad he realized this too late...

I am not a fan of Natalie at all, but I have to admit if she does make it to the final two she will win this game. She has systematically allowed every one of her allies to do all the dirty work and is quick to point out in discreet conversation that her hands are clean. The votes will absolutely be in her favor since she has so many friends in the jury house. Natalie has entertained the notion of evicting Jordan (who seemed to want to leave so that Jeff can stay) on the condition that Michele and Jeff throw the HOH comp for her. She promised Natalie that if she won she'd nominate Kevin for eviction.... Then goes back to Kevin and says final three isn't good enough for her and that they (Michele, Jeff, Jordan) must think she's a "dumb kid" if they believe her.

I watched her on BBAD two nights ago (Tues into Wed) and Jeff was so annoyed that she was the only one drinking. He felt that since it was his last night to drink that they all should have been provided alcohol, but instead they were all subjected to a drunk Natalie (she'd been drinking Kevin's Mike's Hard Lemonade). She was an obvious lightweight, though being deprived of alcohol for the better part of three months will do that to anyone - it certainly helps pull off the 18yr old cover story pretty well, though BB won't play along. It's amazing that no one else has figured this out!!

Michele, in my opinion, has gotten a bad rap. She's done the same thing everyone else has in the house: lie and back-stab; yet she's been vilified by anyone who's been outdone by her. Ronnie is the most disgusting person I've ever seen on Big Brother, including Evel Dick! From Day One he played all sides and behaved like a lap dog to Jessie. However when it was time to leave BB he lambasted Michele in the most scathing manner and Natalie (in her usual manner) says he never did anything bad to her so in her eyes he was a good guy. He was such a coward and a crybaby - it sickens me to think the viewers liked him at all.

I must say, it was rather depressing watching the finish of last nights show.

I agree Bx, I don't know if I can watch it anymore. Why would Chima need to be avenged? Chima got herself evicted from the house, she doesn't deserve to even be remembered - how many people would love a chance to play the game and she threw it away!

Poor Jordan....

Spoiler news is giving me no good news. Tuesday live eviction will be interesting to see if Kevin choses Michelle or Jordan to go home. If he picks Jordan to stay, Nat might still send him home if she wins. If he picks Michelle to stay, I don't think Nat or Michelle would pick the other to stay.

On another note, watching a repeat of one of the shows I watch "Fringe" I see live twittering at the bottom of the screen. This certainly is something best suited for Reality Shows, this one in particular.

Wow, what a different outcome this year would have been had Jeff not so foolishly believed in the lies of Natalie and Kevin. I heard he did an interview where he FINALLY admitted that throwing Russell over for the likes of those two was not the smartest move.

I was sad to see Michelle go last night. Of the final 4, she was the most deserving to win, I thought. She'd made it through the game with no true allies and with a great deal of animosity directed at her. While I found some of her gameplay choices questionable (notably, her lie when Russell outed her for telling him Chima was gunning for him), most of them seemed to work in her favor.

At this point, I'm forced to pull for a Jordan win. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than see either Natalie or Kevin walk away with half a million bucks. I know many would say Jordan has been a weaker player than either Natalie or Kevin, but I think she's made a couple of very wise moves -- the question is whether she meant to make them. First, she aligned herself with a player who was stronger than she ~ and who would never betray her (no easy feat in Big Brother!). Second, she has been kind to everyone (except maybe Russell there at the end) and is well-liked in the house, which is not a bad strategic move. Again, I'm not saying any of this was calculated on her part, but the end result is the same. Come on -- at the end of week 1 would any of you bet that Jordan, who can't tell time and lies awake at night wondering why urine is warm, would make it to Final 3?

I don't think it was a stupid move on Kevin's part to evict Michelle, as I don't think he could have beat her in the end. However, I don't think Kevin can get enough jury votes to beat either Natalie or Jordan, either. It's hard to tell how the jury will vote every year ~ how hard grudges are held has a lot to do with it. I always get a better sense of how they might go after seeing the jury discuss things. A large part of my guesses at this point is the consideration that if it's not Natalie vs. Kevin, it probably means the remaining one screwed the other over in the end, and they're both immature vindictive little poos. My current best guess is Natalie can only win against Kevin, Jordan can win against either of them, and Kevin can win against no one. That's if the jury votes with their hearts. If they vote strictly on gameplay, Jordan may be in trouble.

I remember last year, Memphis made very few enemies while Dan made many and Dan still won the game by a landslide.

If Natalie and Kevin end up as Final 2 this year, it'll be the worst F2 ever, in my opinion ~ even worse than Maggie and Ivette in Season 6.

I wonder how the jury will feel when they see Natalie parading around in that ridiculous queen of the house get up during her nominations?

I greatly enjoyed watching Jordan kick Natalie's butt tonight. And I was delighted to learn there aren't as many Natalie fans on the jury as was once assumed. Now, of course, I'm having to re-work all my tallies on who might have whose vote in the Final 2.

I was also disappointed to learn that all this competing and such would be carried out live during the finale. I was excited for a 2 hour finale in the hopes that they'd spend more than the usual 5 minutes exposing to the jury the many things that went on behind their backs in the house. The finale has always seemed oh so anticlimactic and now it seems it'll be much the same, only with an extra hour for the competition, eviction, and jury questions.

After the live show tonight, the houseguests were asked questions with their answers presumably filmed for one of the upcoming episodes. Based on the houseguests comments afterward (we were not shown this on the feeds), it appears that the slant of the questions led Natalie and Kevin to realize how popular Jeff and Jordan have been with the viewers this year -- which does not help Jordan's case to try to entice Kevin to take her to Final 2. (I don't know how much Natalie and Kevin can hear inside the house but it's been indicated in the past that they can hear the audience clapping outside. If that's true, I'm sure they could hear the clapping when the audience realized that Jordan had won the competition tonight.)

I enjoyed the brief previous houseguests segment, although I would have vastly preferred to hear from Dr. Will than from Boogie.

A strange episode last night. I liked that Natalie screwed the competition up. I am distrubed by the long delay in the final competition and no one going home last night.

From all signs no matter who would have won the third part of the competition, it would have been Natalie going home. Now she has five more days to weave her lies all over the house to give herself a new life and have someone carry her to the finals.

I liked seeing the previous houseguests there, Dr. Will would have been more fun. They all seemed to call the "Lie" one of the game changers, but I don't think they agreed with technique.

I love it that Jordan beat Natalie in the second round! Very interesting to hear the opinions of the jury members as well. It appears that Natalie is in a bit of trouble. This may turn out to have exciting finish after all.

Watching Natalie squirm on live television while Julie asked her about her performance during the competition was very satisfying. When she started to say that it was a mental game and that she knew everything about everything and Julie cut her off by saying it was a mental and physical game (which she lost) was just icing on the cake. I thought Natalie was an athlete and here little old Jordan stomped her!

Two nights ago during BBAD the practice ball toss was placed in the back yard and she commented to Kevin that she felt production must not want her to win because it didn't seem to be hard enough (maybe for Jordan). Kevin quickly replied "They don't want YOU to win?!!?" incredulously. Kevin has to notice how Natalie sees herself as being the only one who can/should win the game. Numerous times she has badgered Kevin, demanding to know if he's going to take her to the finals - even said twice on-camera "America, you heard him, he's GOT to take me to the finals because he gave me his word, and Kevin if you don't, well then I won't vote for you to win and you need my vote in that jury house."

Kevin has confided to Jordan he can't win against Natalie, so Jordan would be his choice for the finals, at least then he'd be guaranteed 50K and a shot at the half-mil. I hope he hasn't changed his mind, if Natalie wins this.... oh, I can't even let myself think about that. Natalie's lies are definitely catching up with her in the jury house though, so I don't think she has as many votes now.

Kevin has said in the Diary Room that he would take Jordan to the finals if he wins Final HOH -- but the Diary Room is famously scripted, so it's hard to tell if that's how he really feels, or if the producers scripted him to say that to create drama.

Glad to see none of you are Natalie fans, either. I know some of you watch BBAD and some of you only watch the TV show. Seeing everything behind the scenes as I do, it's hard for me to get a good grip on how folks who only watch the TV show perceive things.

Even though I'm the opposite of a Natalie fan, I found it a bit ridiculous that Jessie seemed to have turned on Natalie a bit in the jury house (although one has to wonder what sort of stuff Lydia has bent his ear about over the past 4+ weeks). But Jessie was the only one in the jury house who knew all along that Natalie was lying about being 18, so is he just pretending to be mad? Did he play it off that he somehow found out from production, rather than being party to the lie all along?

Michelle will be the first person to arrive at the jury house bringing news of Natalie's engagement -- that should serve to upset lovesick Jessie even further. And I've said before, I feel the jurors will be extremely turned off when they see the DVD of Natalie acting like Queen of the House, all dressed up in a robe, crown, and scepter. (Retch.) Everyone in that jury house who was ever HOH (which is everyone except Lydia) gave a relatively respectful speech during their nominations, and to see Natalie behave as the full-of-herself, delusional person that she truly is should at least give them all pause.

Of course, Natalie's a moot point at this point -- the choice it going to be left up to either Kevin or Jordan as to who goes to the finals. I'm hoping they take each other, assuring that Natalie doesn't get a dime. Kevin is telling both Natalie and Jordan he will take them. Jordan is telling both Natalie and Kevin she will take them. Not even the feeders have a clue what will happen at the moment of truth. I guess that's because everyone lies to everyone at some point in this game.