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#519781 - Thu Jun 17 2010 05:14 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Oops, South African indeed !

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#519782 - Fri Jun 18 2010 02:29 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Nice comeback to tie 2-2 for the US against Slovenia and the referee. Did anyone outside of the US watch the game? Wondering if I (and the US announcers) only thought the referee was absolutely dreadful the entire game...or impartial viewers saw it too.

The media here are making a big deal about the blown call on the disallowed goal...but really that was just one of the missed or questionable calls against both teams.

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#519783 - Fri Jun 18 2010 02:40 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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pyonir,

The media over here in the UK thought the referee was very poor, including the disallowed goal.

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#519784 - Fri Jun 18 2010 02:53 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Thanks Jennings. I'm guessing it will be the same in other places (other than Slovenia). lol.

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#519785 - Fri Jun 18 2010 03:24 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Yep - very poor referee. This is often a problem in international country and club tournaments. FIFA have selected referees from all the regions of the world (this is their policy) and this year one of the "elite" referees was from Mali...which was the referee for the USA - Slovenia game. It is questionable whether referees from places such as Mali are good enough to take charge of some of the biggest matches in world sport. How competitive could the Mali league be?

Sometimes there are exceptions, the referee for the England - Algeria game (who was also the man in the middle for the opening game) is from Uzbekistan and he has been the best referee of the tournament.

I am still baffled by Klose's red card though!

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#519786 - Fri Jun 18 2010 06:21 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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haha, I had to post this picture. It's a picture of the goalkeeper reacting to the high shot of Donovan, in which he scored. I don't blame the GK, but the picture is quite funny.

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#519787 - Mon Jun 21 2010 02:39 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Mr Koman Coulibaly has 10 years experience of being a FIFA referee and has presided over many international matches, like World Cup qualifiers and the African Cup of Nations.
It's not like he is some no-name umpire from an exotic country. As jonnowales said, Ravshan Irmatov from Uzbekistan did a fine job so far, as did Eddy Maillet from the Seychelles, whereas Stephane Lannoy from France and other refs from big nations were awful.
That aside, the call on Edu was beyond bad, vlogger and 106 times USA international Eric Wynalda has some interesting thoughts on this.

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#519788 - Mon Jun 21 2010 02:48 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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The most interesting story of the day is of course the complete implosion of French football, the only way things could get worse, is if they don't show up for their match against Southafrica.
I'm from Holland, and God knows we had our share of drama (1990, 1994), but even we didn't blow up the team or refused to practice/train.
Thinking positively: this is a good thing for all the other teams. Under normal circumstances, the doodoo would hit the fan for teams like Spain, England or Italy, for having mediocre results so far, but the press is just too busy castigating the French team.
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#519789 - Mon Jun 21 2010 03:42 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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The French practiced today, so it looks like they'll play...although I don't know how well they'll play. I would expect their hearts won't be in it and it'll end badly. I would have been cheering for RSA anyway though.

triviapaul, you are so right about the press being too busy with France too. haha, as the teams you mentioned have significantly underperformed. Portugal finally came alive today though...7-0?

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#519790 - Mon Jun 21 2010 10:59 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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#519791 - Tue Jun 22 2010 02:05 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Some fans are now wearing ear-muffs in the stadiums!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20062010/2/photo/20062010130331.html
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    Broadcasters filter out vuvuzela noise
    Jun 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    By Sapa-AP


    Host Broadcast Services, the company that provides the broadcast feed for the World Cup, said Tuesday it has doubled its audio filters to reduce the constant blaring buzz of vuvuzelas. TV viewers around the globe have complained that the sound from the plastic horns is stinging their ears.

    "Despite HBS' core philosophy, which is to provide 'realistic' host broadcast coverage reflecting the ambiance in the stadiums, additional audio filtering has been implemented," according to the daily newsletter given to rightsholders Tuesday. The filters also will minimize other crowd noise in the stadiums, such as chants and cheers. HBS said it has increased the level in the ball mics to provide some balance.

    Several broadcasters have already taken their own measures to reduce the drone. French broadcaster TF1 changed its microphones after the opening match between Mexico and host South Africa, replacing them with mics commentators hold close to their mouths that better filter sound.

    The BBC, which had received 545 complaints from viewers as of Tuesday morning, said it is considering giving viewers the option of muting ambient noise while maintaining game commentary through its "red button" digital service. Viewers would push a red button on their remote control to receive the quieter broadcast on a separate channel. "We have already taken steps to minimize the noise and are continuing to monitor the situation," the BBC said in a statement. "If the vuvuzela continues to impact on audience enjoyment, we will look at what other options we can take to reduce the volume further."

    The noise of the vuvuzelas has been the talk of the World Cup, so much so that British bookmaker William Hill is now taking bets on whether the horns will be banned at Premier League stadiums next season. "The vuvuzela certainly polarizes opinion, and we suspect that individual clubs will want to put a rule in pace to enable them to ban them should they threaten to become widespread," William Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe said.

    William Hill is also is taking bets that the vuvuzelas will be banned by the end of the World Cup. But FIFA president Sepp Blatter has strongly backed the use of the horns since they were introduced to the wider football world at the Confederations Cup in South Africa last year, and he said again Monday they're here to stay. The vuvuzelas are something African, and Blatter said he is not about to ban the music traditions of fans in their own country.

    Several players said the din of the horns is having an impact on the field. Netherlands striker Robin van Persie avoided a second yellow card - and a ban from the next game - by blaming the vuvuzelas for failing to hear an offside whistle. Argentina striker Carlos Tevez said the din of vuvuzelas makes it hard for players to communicate with each other on the field. "Those sirens or trumpets - I don't know what they are - make it very difficult to speak on the field," Tevez said after Argentina's training session Tuesday at the University of Pretoria. "You have to shout and sometimes you run out of breath, you get a bit more tired. They are extremely bothersome."

    But Van Persie said he doesn't want to see vuvuzelas banned. "I think we have to respect it, because we are in South Africa, and we need to respect where we are," the Dutchman said. "This is their tradition. This belongs to them."



http://www.timeslive.co.za/soccer/Broadcasters-filter-out-vuvuzela-noise

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#519792 - Wed Jun 23 2010 10:28 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Well, the US had another goal disallowed, but won the game in stoppage time...and won Group C.
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#519793 - Wed Jun 23 2010 03:34 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Well, the US had another goal disallowed, but won the game in stoppage time...and won Group C.




Another blown call...but quite an exciting finish! I was jumping up and down yelling like an idiot.

And I will say the Algerian goalkeeper played an excellent game. Right place at the right time and made some great saves.


Edited by pyonir (Wed Jun 23 2010 05:39 PM)

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#519794 - Wed Jun 23 2010 06:27 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Great to see the US having a run like this at the World Cup. Despite having a number of key decisions go against them, they've got themselves on a roll. On UK news reports it looks like a lot of Americans in bars who might not normally get too carried away by football - at least, not the round ball type - are really getting behind the team and immersing themselves in the agony of disallowed goals and the joys of late fightbacks and last-minute winners. The team is as determined and committed as any in the competition and has remarkable fighting spirit. Wonder if it might spark a greater interest in the game in the US? Not amongst adults, maybe, but a lot of youngsters are likely to be impressed. And now they've landed themselves in the weakest quarter of the final stages. Wins against Ghana and (maybe) Uruguay shouldn't be completely beyond them. I know they reached the quarters in 2002, but there just seems to be something more dramatic about their campaign this time around. Best of luck to them.

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#519795 - Thu Jun 24 2010 01:06 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Australia is now eliminated. Oh well, we finished on a high. Good luck to both the Yanks and the Poms for the rest of the tournament.

I bet the Irish fans were happy to see France implode the way they did!

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#519796 - Thu Jun 24 2010 10:31 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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I bet the Irish fans were happy to see France implode the way they did!




Indeed they did

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/world-cup/allez-les-bleus-all-the-way-back-home-2230735.html
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#519797 - Thu Jun 24 2010 06:56 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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Italy are also out.
Both finalists from 2006 Germany have started packing .. I wonder if that's a first.

We already had one first .. South Africa are the first hosts who failed to progress.

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#519798 - Thu Jun 24 2010 07:20 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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gt - I think it is a first!

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#519799 - Fri Jun 25 2010 01:58 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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According to Wikipedia, this World Cup is the first time the defending champion has failed to make it out of group play, the first time the previous runner-up has failed to make it out of group play, and the first time the host country has failed to make it out of group play.

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#519800 - Sat Jun 26 2010 08:03 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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It's the first time that both finalists have qualified for the World Cup and then both failed to advance. 1966 had even worse carnage, however.

Brazil (1962 champions): Knocked out in Group play.
Czechoslovakia (1962 finalists): Didn't qualify.
Chile (1962 3rd place): Finished last in their group.
Yugoslavia (1962 4th place): Didn't qualify.
Italy (favorite going in, seeded): Lost to North Korea and knocked out in group stage.

Hosts England made it through though, and took the cup.

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#519801 - Sun Jun 27 2010 09:58 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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No excuses for England's peformance, it was diabolical. None of the players should ever be allowed to put an England jersey on again. Under 21's would have put up more of a fight !!
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#519802 - Sun Jun 27 2010 10:18 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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No excuses for England's peformance, it was diabolical. None of the players should ever be allowed to put an England jersey on again. Under 21's would have put up more of a fight !!




The Germans played well though.

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#519803 - Sun Jun 27 2010 11:14 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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The lasting image from this game was the equaliser by Lampard, the referee was the only one who didn't see it over the line. I hope the discussion about replays will get a new boost.
Kudos to Germany though, they won with speed and eagerness.
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#519804 - Sun Jun 27 2010 11:47 AM Re: 2010 World Cup
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I'm afraid this result was coming for England and today they were horribly exposed for what they really are, overhyped and severly lacking in any technical nous. Same old England really, one of the main problems is the English media and their incredible hype machine. These players get found out on the world stage time and time again but still believe in their own self-importance and about how great the media portray them to be. Time for a reality check I think, this was a disastrous campaign by England from start to finish, woefully inept (again) at doing the very basics ie. keeping and passing the ball. What is so difficult about that?
England again (for the umpteenth time) play as individuals and never as a team and I'm afaid Capello may have to quit after this shambles (Graham Taylor anyone?). Time for me to throw away another England replica shirt, the colour was beginning to fade anyway.
Absolute rubbish and the players can hang their heads in shame
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#519805 - Sun Jun 27 2010 09:31 PM Re: 2010 World Cup
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I saw the "no-goal" replay and even if they had given it to them, England still would have lost by 2. I was rather surprised when they tied the USA in their first match; I was figuring an England win, and not like 1-0 or 2-1, more like 4-1 or 3-0.

I am figuring Argentina is the team to beat at the moment...they stomped the Mexican team.
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