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#547513 - Fri Aug 27 2010 10:16 AM Images in a quiz
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I've got an idea for a quiz, but I've never seen any quizes like it on funtrivia. Questions would be like this (I won't insult your intelligence by providing the answer):

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-George W. Bush
-Dick Cheney
-George H. W. Bush
-Barack Obama

I would do this using HTML, and I'd keep the images small (90x90 pixels, like the one seen above). I could also provide the websites that the images come from in the info sections.

Since I've never seen any quizes like this (on this site, at least), I was wondering whether or not it would be allowed.

Thanks!
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#547521 - Fri Aug 27 2010 10:36 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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We have toyed with the idea before but because of image copyrights (if I recall) it would be very difficult to actually put into practice.
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#547524 - Fri Aug 27 2010 10:40 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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What if I use my own images?
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#547527 - Fri Aug 27 2010 10:54 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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Just a thought, but there are hundreds of "royalty free" sites out there.
I can conceive an "Identify The Landmarks From These Images" type of quiz and then pictures of Golden Gate Bridge, Big Ben and so on.
I can conceive it, but (some will be relieved to learn) I don't have the technical know-how to carry it off.

I suppose, though, it would provide so many headaches for editors to ensure that a copyright picture did not slip through.

BTW, Guru, is the answer to your question $10m?
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#547528 - Fri Aug 27 2010 10:56 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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#547533 - Fri Aug 27 2010 11:02 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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#547534 - Fri Aug 27 2010 11:05 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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#547544 - Fri Aug 27 2010 11:21 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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One more question: what if all the images in the quiz were taken from one website that explicitly stated that all of the images on their site could be used for personal and business use for free? That way the editor would only have to check one website for each quiz?
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#547554 - Fri Aug 27 2010 12:08 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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May I just say that being 'royalty free' doesn't make it copyright free and in the majority of cases royalty free images require that the originating site/author be credited, with links back to the original. It would be extremely difficult for FT to enforce that and/or check that the right links/authors/copyright holders had been credited. Royalty free images usually require registration, and many require an initial fee - they just don't charge ongoing usage royalties as well. It's a nightmare area - I'd always assumed that the reason there were no image-based quizzes on FT was because Terry valued his sleep and didn't want to pay lawyers!
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#547555 - Fri Aug 27 2010 12:32 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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Just out of curiosity does this site appear to be good?
Sunipix

If it helps, here's a link to their FAQ page: Sunipix FAQ


Edited by GuruOfTrivia (Fri Aug 27 2010 12:36 PM)
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#547556 - Fri Aug 27 2010 12:36 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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I'd always assumed that the reason there were no image-based quizzes on FT was because Terry valued his sleep and didn't want to pay lawyers!


I don't want to put words in Terry's mouth, but I'd think you've got it in a nutshell!

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#547560 - Fri Aug 27 2010 12:48 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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Over the years I believe a few of these picture type questions have been asked in the Ask FT part of the site. Whilst I found them enjoyable, they had to be stopped (sensibly) for reasons mentioned above.

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#547565 - Fri Aug 27 2010 01:24 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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In addition to the royalty/copyright issues (which are not trivial), images and other use of HTML within quizzes might pose problems by themselves. Questions end up being displayed to players in a whole lot of different formats -- as individual Flash questions, in quizzes, in tournaments, etc etc -- and anything out of the ordinary runs the risk of breaking this system. (Just think how much trouble we've had with smart quotes and letters with accents on them!) Text-only questions offer the site a lot of flexibility and have allowed Terry to design and offer some fantastic games that no one had even dreamed of when the site was formed.
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#547576 - Fri Aug 27 2010 01:48 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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Originally Posted By: CellarDoor
Text-only questions offer the site a lot of flexibility and have allowed Terry to design and offer some fantastic games that no one had even dreamed of when the site was formed.


I second that! I've looked at a few other sites and none is as attractive, or user-friendly, as funtrivia.
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#547581 - Fri Aug 27 2010 02:46 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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I also think this would cause more problems than wanted. It'd be a good idea if not for having to take into account copyright etc., but I'm sure there are other sites out there that support quizzes like that - in fact, I frequently visit (a site) where users can in fact make their own quizzes, with or without images, if anyone would like to check it out.

EDIT: Just to mention that (the other site's) quizzes are pretty much all FITB answers. It's not as good a user-based community like FunTrivia, but it helps when you want to learn something by heart, such as countries' flags.


Edited by sue943 (Sat Aug 28 2010 07:31 AM)
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#547583 - Fri Aug 27 2010 02:54 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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There is also the problem of things changing over time. In internet terms, FT is remarkably stable - we have quizzes that have been online for ten years. Five years from now, the website hosting those images may be gone, and then what happens to the quiz?

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#547592 - Fri Aug 27 2010 03:04 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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There is also the problem of things changing over time. In internet terms, FT is remarkably stable - we have quizzes that have been online for ten years. Five years from now, the website hosting those images may be gone, and then what happens to the quiz?


Or that image of a bald Britney Spears used in a quiz played ten years past its relevance?

Another issue I can see it the time-sensitivity of some of the more timely celebrity, pop culture, and people type stuff which may change over the years. A picture of an open field today may very well be the picture of a skyscraper ten years from now.
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#547763 - Sat Aug 28 2010 10:09 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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To add to all of the above concerns, there are concerns with inappropriate images being inserted into quizzes once they are online.

All that said, I know Terry has floated the picture quiz idea a few times, and perhaps it will become a feature of the site when we can work out the potential issues.


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#547771 - Sat Aug 28 2010 10:29 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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Originally Posted By: crisw
To add to all of the above concerns, there are concerns with inappropriate images being inserted into quizzes once they are online.


If someone wanted to do that couldn't it be done now?
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#547772 - Sat Aug 28 2010 10:32 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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Originally Posted By: GuruOfTrivia
Originally Posted By: crisw
To add to all of the above concerns, there are concerns with inappropriate images being inserted into quizzes once they are online.


If someone wanted to do that couldn't it be done now?


Nope. HTML and coding can't be placed into quizzes.
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#547814 - Sat Aug 28 2010 01:42 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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#547870 - Sat Aug 28 2010 04:29 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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Guess we'll just have to draw pictures with words:::

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#547874 - Sat Aug 28 2010 05:02 PM Re: Images in a quiz
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Essentially, the only way I could see a very limited number of image-based quizzed added to FunTrivia would to have those done by staff members (aka editors) and a very small number of extremely experienced authors only. I suppose members would be able to suggest topics, but the actual execution would have to be done by someone intimately familiar with the issues pertaining to copyrights, licenses and all those other nasties.

While images could well be taken off flickr.com or a similar photo site, using only those that have a Creative Commons license, the exact execution of the required image credit would still have to be done and checked, and of course all images would need to be rehosted on the FT server to prevent a later alteration (which the Creative Commons terms would allow). Even then, I would pretty much see the necessity that such a quiz would have to be checked by two editors to ensure we're absolutely on the safe side.

If Terry wishes to do all the coding work necessary to possibly get a few dozen image-based quizzes online every year (I'd not count on more than two per editor / expert author, these are major work), I could imagine that we might get a few of these as special, featured quizzes on topics where the images really provide value (aka no simple "identify this actor" quizzes), but frankly, I see no way this kind will ever be common. It's just too difficult to create and edit.

The ultimate verdict: A cool feature? Definitely. Worth it? Doubtful.
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#547963 - Sun Aug 29 2010 05:27 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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There is a way to make the image testing go to one image per quiz and that would be to do a reveal type quiz where the image is broken into ten different pieces then question by question a new segment is revealed. Scoring would be on a reverse 10 to one begin to end basis.
This though would present a new twist to the permission angle. Many well knowns I'm afraid would not want their image fragmented and so permission to do that would also be required.

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#547971 - Sun Aug 29 2010 08:45 AM Re: Images in a quiz
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I'm afraid that something like this could be a bit more difficult as some image banks don't allow their images to be manipulated. :s
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