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#1265463 - Fri May 15 2020 08:16 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Rule of thumb (from experience with the game) when there are two similar pairs: Avoid matching the ones with the common term. Unless it also has a -ise/-ize or -or/-our variation as well.
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#1265511 - Sat May 16 2020 05:14 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Honestly, I 've found many definitions that share common terms which are correct. If it wasn't included in the team games I'd stop playing, as I hate the capricious nature of the underlying database.

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#1265519 - Sun May 17 2020 12:26 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Originally Posted By: windrush
Today's mind melt.

alcoholic is related to drunk

You said: juicer

alcoholic means "a person who drinks alcohol to excess habitually"
drunk means "a chronic drinker"


drunken reveler is related to juicer

You said: drunk

drunken reveler means "someone who engages in drinking bouts"
juicer means "a person who drinks alcoholic beverages (especially to excess)"
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So having put alcoholic is related to drunk, I saw the second set of relationships, went back and changed it to alcoholic/juicer and drunken reveler/drunk.

WRONG!! (again, sigh!)



Another clue is the word endings. Reveler and juicer both end in -er, a doer of the thing. I know, I know ... While your brain is screaming "Hurry up! Seconds are ticking away, you are taking too long!" who wants to look or search the memory for silly things like "What words end in what?"

When I was a foolish new player that didn't know any better, I enjoyed Mind Melt. Then I began to care about the score and the time and I quit playing it.

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#1265526 - Sun May 17 2020 04:17 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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I don't worry about the time and the score, just enjoy the fun of trying to out-think the database. As fast as I can, but no panic when it takes a bit of time (sorry, team).
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#1265644 - Wed May 20 2020 06:42 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Yes, I'm with you, MJ. As I said before, the capricious nature of the database bothers me. I often find the same issues in Word Wiz - same database, of course. I believe the dictionary gets added to in a fairly loose (i.e., unverified) fashion, and it seems to me that some of the definitions found there will never be found in the Oxford, Collins or Webster's.

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#1265795 - Sun May 24 2020 07:41 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Ah, at last ... I have found the place to rant about bl***y Mind Melt: I wouldn't play it at all if it weren't in the team quizzes.

Today's gem: "the opposite of 'lift' is 'lower': you said 'depress'."

paired with "the opposite of 'lift up' is 'depress'."

I should, of course, have guaranteed 29 by putting the same answer twice, but really?

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#1272175 - Thu Aug 27 2020 10:36 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Today:

juke house means "a small roadside establishment in the southeastern United States where you can eat and drink and dance to music provided by a jukebox"

marijuana cigarette means "marijuana leaves rolled into a cigarette for smoking"

The game says that is the correct match. It puzzles me that the game would think that . . .

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#1272227 - Thu Aug 27 2020 06:09 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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This has been raised before, earlier in the thread. The match is in Part 3, where the terms are related, often by way of several invisible definitions. In this case, a juke house is also known as a juke joint, and a joint is another term for a marijuana cigarette. The link is the joint, which doesn't actually appear in either of the immediate definitions.
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#1272230 - Thu Aug 27 2020 07:16 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
The link is the joint, which doesn't actually appear in either of the immediate definitions.


That doesn't make it right!

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#1272233 - Thu Aug 27 2020 08:01 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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It is a link that relates the two terms, and that is all the Part 3 requires. They are not being presented as being the same, as if they were in Part 1 (where, by the way, today I had the definition used here for a juke house matched with jook joint).
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#1272234 - Thu Aug 27 2020 09:01 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Originally Posted By: mike32768
Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
The link is the joint, which doesn't actually appear in either of the immediate definitions.


That doesn't make it right!


In the case of Mind Melt logic, yes, it does make it right.

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#1272268 - Fri Aug 28 2020 08:58 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Yes, that's how part three works - it's not about straightforward definitions, but rather associations and sometimes rather tenous connections. It's difficult and frustrating, but also, for me at least, fun because it uses a kind of reasoning that itherwise doesn't get much exercise.

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#1272288 - Fri Aug 28 2020 11:45 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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I get the connection, and I get that part 3 is a different sort of matching. But by that logic I could make almost any two words/terms work. E.g., "miter box" would be a match for "juke house."

In any event, when it's just one set of terms it should be match-able by elimination, which it usually is.

I also agree it can be fun.

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#1272304 - Fri Aug 28 2020 01:59 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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I happen to like this particular one because of the perhaps not intended connection, that it's likely a marijuana cigarette or two have been smoked out behind most juke joints, over the years.....

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#1272322 - Fri Aug 28 2020 06:36 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Originally Posted By: ArlingtonVA
I get the connection, and I get that part 3 is a different sort of matching. But by that logic I could make almost any two words/terms work. E.g., "miter box" would be a match for "juke house."

In any event, when it's just one set of terms it should be match-able by elimination, which it usually is.

I also agree it can be fun.



I really enjoy the puzzle solving I sometimes encounter when I see no obvious connection. When I can nail down the possible definitions (or examples, synonyms, etc.) that might be in a dictionary entry that could make the leap to establish the link, it is very satisfactory! Now, a miter box is used to cut wood so that the pieces can be connected with a precise fit at a joint. Since we already know that juke house matches to marijuana via a joint, this match could also be made. smile
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#1273331 - Mon Sep 14 2020 10:55 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Since when is "observably" the opposite of "perceptibly"? I would say these are synonyms, and the "Free Dictionary" supports my sentiment.
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#1277509 - Sun Nov 22 2020 11:28 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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The opposite of come up is go off

You said: cut

come up means "start running, functioning, or operating"
go off means "stop running, functioning, or operating"

The opposite of switch on is cut

You said: go off

switch on means "cause to operate by flipping a switch"
cut means "cause to stop operating by disengaging a switch"

Got these two switched up - I feel these are way too similar of a definition.

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#1278078 - Tue Dec 01 2020 07:34 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Sometimes, a shrug is the only appropriate response.

agriculturist is related to husbandman
You said: farmer
agriculturist means "someone concerned with the science or art or business of cultivating the soil"
husbandman means "a person who operates a farm"

sower is related to farmer
You said: husbandman
sower means "someone who sows"
farmer means "a person who operates a farm"

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#1278110 - Tue Dec 01 2020 06:45 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Ow, that one must have stung. Usually I can find something to go on that makes one a better choice than the other, but sometimes it's just the luck of the draw.

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#1278174 - Wed Dec 02 2020 09:14 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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beguiler is related to wrongdoer
You said: offender
beguiler means "someone who leads you to believe something that is not true"
wrongdoer means "a person who transgresses moral or civil law"

evildoer is related to offender
You said: wrongdoer
evildoer means "a person who sins (without repenting)"
offender means "a person who transgresses moral or civil law"

All these words are related to each other frown
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#1279537 - Sat Dec 19 2020 05:01 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Someone explain this one smilee


scramble is related to locomote
You said: travel
scramble means "to move hurriedly"
locomote means "change location"

plough is related to travel
You said: locomote
plough means "move in a way resembling that of a plow cutting into or going through the soil"
travel means "change location"

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#1279551 - Sat Dec 19 2020 09:17 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Originally Posted By: ArlingtonVA
Someone explain this one smilee


scramble is related to locomote
You said: travel
scramble means "to move hurriedly"
locomote means "change location"

plough is related to travel
You said: locomote
plough means "move in a way resembling that of a plow cutting into or going through the soil"
travel means "change location"



I think I got it figured out. Scramble and locomote both contain the letter M. Plough and travel both have six letters.

That is not meant to be a serious answer.

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#1279552 - Sat Dec 19 2020 09:31 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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When I got those definitions in part 3 (which is looser relationships rather than definitions), I thought about the various ways each might be used in context, and plumped for the correct pairing. They just seemed closer - scrambling is a more flustered motion than the trudging progress described as ploughing on, and travel feels to me more relaxed than locomotion. But, of course, that may just be because of the song!
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#1279566 - Sun Dec 20 2020 07:24 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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I just go with blind guessing, seems to work about half the time. It's annoying, to be sure.

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#1282785 - Sun Feb 07 2021 09:12 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues
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Eczema and Prurigo. Skin condition and skin disorder. Tough.
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