#586133 - Wed Jan 12 2011 10:07 PM
Re: Shots Fired In Arizona
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Mainstay
Registered: Sat May 03 2008
Posts: 926
Loc: California USA
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Here's the link. Read it your own risk ~ and please realize that this one, or other groups like it, do not represent the overall spirit of the US. They are only a tiny example of why it seems right that the word 'fringe' rhymes with 'cringe'. You're absolutely right. Those scumbags in the WBC are not real Americans, but these guys are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Guard_Riders
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#586140 - Wed Jan 12 2011 10:37 PM
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Mainstay
Registered: Sat Apr 25 2009
Posts: 877
Loc: Minnesota USA
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And getting back to the original thread, surely a schizophrenic should not be able to buy a dangerous weapon so easily. If, as pyonir says, he passed the required background checks to allow him to do so, then the checks are obviously not tough enough. He wasn't on any treatment - no one in the government knew about him, that's the problem. Just out of curiousity, what do the background checks consist of? It varies by state. But here is a general view. There are links at the bottom should you be interested in more information (like by state laws). http://crime.about.com/od/guns/a/handgun_check.htm
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#586197 - Thu Jan 13 2011 08:45 AM
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Registered: Fri May 18 2001
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Loc: Canton Ohio USA
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An especially worthwhile except from Obama's speech at the memorial service/public tribute held in Tucson last night, or so I thought ... I believe we can be better. Those who died here, those who saved lives here – they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us. I believe that for all our imperfections, we are full of decency and goodness, and that the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us.
That's what I believe, in part because that's what a child like Christina Taylor Green believed. Imagine: here was a young girl who was just becoming aware of our democracy; just beginning to understand the obligations of citizenship; just starting to glimpse the fact that someday she too might play a part in shaping her nation's future. She had been elected to her student council; she saw public service as something exciting, something hopeful. She was off to meet her congresswoman, someone she was sure was good and important and might be a role model. She saw all this through the eyes of a child, undimmed by the cynicism or vitriol that we adults all too often just take for granted.
I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she imagined it. All of us – we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children's expectations.
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#586394 - Thu Jan 13 2011 06:27 PM
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Learning the ropes...
Registered: Thu Jan 06 2011
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The only difference is that John Howard, Australian Prime Minister at the time, banned guns of any sort. That was about the only decent policy decision that he made but it has saved a lot of lives.
The Land of the Free has had four Presidents killed, and quite a few 'dented'. Isn't it about time that people realise that guns DO kill people? The right to bear arms may have made sense in the 18th century, but these days it just seems to be an excuse.
Geez, as much as I hate to jump into this mess, the Aussie homicide rate (while declining) has not been near what it has been in the United States. In fact, based upon numbers up to 2007( I think that is the last year I have seen), the Aussie rate declined nearly 33%. However, the US rate declined, in the same period nearly 40%. How do you account for that despite what you believe are "decent policy decisions?" People are still killing people, but our homicide rate has gone down more than yours, despite the fact that your "gun control" is more stringent than ours. How do you explain that? Dave
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#586400 - Thu Jan 13 2011 07:00 PM
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Registered: Mon Dec 03 2001
Posts: 20907
Loc: Sydney NSW Australia
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HomicideThe US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006[30] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[31] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). A closer look at The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data indicates that per-capita homicide rates over the last 30 years on average of major cities, New Orleans' average per capita homicide rate of 52 murders per 100,000 people overall (1980–2009) ranks highest among major U.S. cities[32][33] Most industrialized countries had homicide rates below the 2.5 mark.
From here. Homicide statistics Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. From here 5.5 versus 1.3- The defence rests, Your Honour! 
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#586666 - Fri Jan 14 2011 04:06 PM
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Registered: Wed Mar 15 2000
Posts: 16214
Loc: The Delta Quadrant
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If you can, please move discussion about gun control to the 'Not the 9 o'clock News" forum and keep this thread discussing the actual events.
Thanks!
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#586672 - Fri Jan 14 2011 04:24 PM
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Star Poster
Registered: Sat Feb 10 2001
Posts: 18899
Loc: California USA
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I thought I was going to be able to gradually stop looking at so many of the articles that this tragedy has engendered and thinking about the girl's death amongst others. But this morning I read that her organs have been donated and have already saved the life of another child. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...on-east-coast/1
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#586677 - Fri Jan 14 2011 04:39 PM
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Mainstay
Registered: Sat Apr 25 2009
Posts: 877
Loc: Minnesota USA
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Good for Mike Gallagher. I hate that it gives Westboro yet another voice...but if it saves the families from them, it's a good trade off. Thanks for the link Bruyere, hearing the stories about that girl, I have no doubt she'd be proud knowing her organs have saved other lives.
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#586746 - Fri Jan 14 2011 09:05 PM
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Prolific
Registered: Sat Sep 15 2001
Posts: 1050
Loc: Adelaide SA Australia
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He could change his show's name to the Mike Gallagher Comedy Hour just while they're on. I guess it says something good about society that even these idiots get to the right to talk. The other option might be to tax them all the way to Guyana.
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#586853 - Sat Jan 15 2011 12:52 PM
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Administrator
Registered: Sat May 17 2008
Posts: 5470
Loc: Northampton England UK
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I guess it says something good about society that even these idiots get to the right to talk. Inciting hatred and provoking violence are offences here; when Fred Phelps and his daughter Shirley announced they were coming to conduct one of their pickets because of a play that was being staged here, they were banned from setting foot on British soil - something that pleases me no end!
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#586893 - Sat Jan 15 2011 05:13 PM
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Champion Poster
Registered: Sun Oct 05 2003
Posts: 24575
Loc: near Stafford, Virginia USA
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Inciting hatred and provoking violence are offences here There are times it should at least be citable (pay a fine) here. I don't have a problem with peaceable protests, depending on the situation. What play was staged there in the UK, flopsy?
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#586898 - Sat Jan 15 2011 06:37 PM
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Prolific
Registered: Fri May 02 2008
Posts: 1474
Loc: Woodstock Illinois USA
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#586921 - Sat Jan 15 2011 11:11 PM
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Prolific
Registered: Sat Sep 15 2001
Posts: 1050
Loc: Adelaide SA Australia
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On day they'll turn up at a funeral where there's a couple of extra holes.
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