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#658763 - Wed Oct 05 2011 11:18 AM Re: Need help with a category
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I've done a couple of 'mixed hobbies' quizzes, which have just gone into 'Hobbies: Other' as a category. Although the wording at the top says something like 'looking for an obscure hobby, which doesn't fit anywhere else......' I didn't have any problems from the editor (s) in placing my quizzes there.
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#658767 - Wed Oct 05 2011 12:01 PM Re: Need help with a category
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If you get it that close, it is a simple matter for an editor to move it to a more suitable subcategory if they feel it belongs there. I would suggest Hobbies: Other looks good (but that is just as an author, not an editor, since that is not one of the categories for which I know the intricate subcategory details).
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#658903 - Thu Oct 06 2011 01:37 AM Re: Need help with a category
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Thanks Rossian and Looney_Tunes... that's where it will go, unless some wonderful editor can find a better category !
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#660755 - Thu Oct 13 2011 10:06 AM Re: Need help with a category
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I have a category issue: In what category would you place a question on Big Ben, the horse, that Ian Miller utilized in his equestrian successes.

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#660788 - Thu Oct 13 2011 11:37 AM Re: Need help with a category
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I'm not an editor, so this advice is under some restriction. I would go for Animals.
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#660791 - Thu Oct 13 2011 12:04 PM Re: Need help with a category
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There are also some Sports quizzes on Horse Racing, as well as Equestrian Events. I would suggest browsing through some of the quizzes there - I see at least one about a famous racehorse (fame being rather local, perhaps - I am not personally familiar with the name). You could also check Animals for the horse quizzes there, to see what kind of quizzes are in each area. This sounds like the kind of quiz that could go in either category, depending on how you frame it after making your decision, but my first instinct was Sports.
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#660832 - Thu Oct 13 2011 02:58 PM Re: Need help with a category
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There is already a quiz about Big Ben in Sports : Sports Other : Equestrian, so I'd say that would be the place for your quiz too.

This makes sense to me, as quizzes about athletes go in their respective categories in Sports, and in equestrian sports the horse is as much an athlete as the rider.

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#660848 - Thu Oct 13 2011 03:16 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Edit: Ooops didn't realize that there was another page of posts...

So we have THREE equestrian categories?

Animals > Horses > Riding and Horse Sports
Sports > Horse Racing
Sports > Sports: Other > Equestrian


Edited by LadyCaitriona (Thu Oct 13 2011 03:19 PM)
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#660851 - Thu Oct 13 2011 03:20 PM Re: Need help with a category
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I'm pretty sure that it should go in with the other quiz about Big Ben, in Sports: Sports Other: Equestrian, as I've already suggested. It definitely does not belong in Horse Racing, as Big Ben was not involved in racing. Althought I now edit in Movies and Geography, I did spend several years editing in Sports, so I'm not talking out of my hat. smile

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#660865 - Thu Oct 13 2011 03:40 PM Re: Need help with a category
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From another angle about Miller, it could go in People asking what horse he rode to fame or star athletes (Celebrity)

But I think it's a single question Emma asked about and the categories there don't get the breakdown that quizzes do. Since a game like 'Who Am I' has fictional people and also horses, I'd put it in People.
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#660868 - Thu Oct 13 2011 03:42 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Since a game like 'Who Am I' has fictional people and also horses, I'd put it in People.


But the single questions aren't filtered into Who Am I.
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#660911 - Thu Oct 13 2011 05:02 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Originally Posted By: mehaul
From another angle about Miller, it could go in People asking what horse he rode to fame or star athletes (Celebrity)

But I think it's a single question Emma asked about and the categories there don't get the breakdown that quizzes do. Since a game like 'Who Am I' has fictional people and also horses, I'd put it in People.



As I pointed out above, quizzes (and by extension questions) about athletes belong in Sports. People as a category does not come into it at all, for either horse or rider (whose name is spelled Millar, by the way).

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#660956 - Thu Oct 13 2011 07:11 PM Re: Need help with a category
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That's like saying questions about actors have to go in Movies. What then do we put in Celebrity? Do questions about astronomers go into Science and Technology? No, they go in People. In the case of Galileo or Copernicus, they might even go in History. Which brings up the point that the same question might exist in multiple categories, unknown to the editors of either category.
Take a question of "Author X wrote book 'A', 'B' and 'C'. A character Y was in one of the Books. Where is Author X from?" Just because the names of some of the books are mentioned doesn't make it a Literature question. It's a People question. The same works with listing a bunch of movies, rather than a question about a single specific film, that is better in the Celebrity Cat because it is about how an actor became famous and not about any specific movie content.
Lately there have been a lot of Sports questions the begin with a Category to cover the lack of specific pigeonholing, such as: Soccer:. Swimming:, Fencing: as lead-ins to a question. If it's a Sports question, why the need to further identify it? That is great when looking for specific topics in quizzes but is way to accurate for single questions. The inclusion of a category title in the start of the question ruins the whole thing for me. The Cat is Sports; the question is about Maradona; I don't need to be told it's Soccer.


Let's just say there is a lot of overlap in assignation possibilities and the final say goes to the editors. Sounds like a fair compromise to a difficult issue.
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#661051 - Fri Oct 14 2011 06:43 AM Re: Need help with a category
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The simple delineation is this. It the question is about a real-life person it goes in People, unless a) the person works in the entertainment industry b) the person works in the political world or c) the person is a sportsman or sportswoman. a) questions go into Celebrities b) questions to World c) questions to Sports.

If the question is about an animal or a fictional person then it doesn't belong in People at all.


Edited by Snowman (Fri Oct 14 2011 06:46 AM)

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#661115 - Fri Oct 14 2011 11:34 AM Re: Need help with a category
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d) the person writes books; e) the person was an inventor; f) the person is in movies (entertainment industry);

d) goes in Literature; e) goes in Sci/Tech; f) goes in Movies

What's left to go in People? or, General? Where does Andy Warhol and Pablo Picasso fit? The UniBomber? other Assassins (World?) Does George Steinbrenner go into sports?
Ted Turner, he used to own sports teams. Where does Ken Burns get pigeonholed? Do the Columbine kids go into World or History?

It doesn't seem that cut and dried from this side of the fence, Snowman. Do the Single Questions need the subCategories that Quizzes have?


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#661119 - Fri Oct 14 2011 12:51 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Originally Posted By: mehaul
d) the person writes books; e) the person was an inventor; f) the person is in movies (entertainment industry);

d) goes in Literature; e) goes in Sci/Tech; f) goes in Movies



The Literature category does not accept quizzes about the authors of literature. Quizzes (and New Question Game questions) about authors should be submitted to the People category.


Edited by LadyCaitriona (Fri Oct 14 2011 12:53 PM)
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#661140 - Fri Oct 14 2011 01:36 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Can't anyone else see the confusion caused by 'this person goes in Sports' but 'this person goes in People' (even when there is an applicable category like authors and Literature)? Lady Caitriona, do questions about books that have authors as answers go in Literature or does the 'authors into People' apply then too? Where do religious leaders go? Entertainment, Religion, People or General?

I thought I'd said that the best solution is letting the editors decide and I've now had two editors reply. One says there's a clear delineation into the specific category but only cites half the situations. I mention some other situations and the second editor says one category is decided in the other direction (into the general People).

Sports questions should be about the Sport. "How many yards in a...?". "The ball is best described as which...?", "What team...?" Any question about a specific person should go into People or Celebrities. Else, every person question should go into the applicable category (ie, authors into Literature) and get rid of the People and Celebrity categories in the single Question Format. Then every person asked about is associated with a field of human endeavor and would be asked about under that category.
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#661145 - Fri Oct 14 2011 01:48 PM Re: Need help with a category
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What's left to go in People? or, General?

Tons-- just look at the subcategories in these categories.

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Where do Andy Warhol and Pablo Picasso fit?

http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=257
http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=4434

If it's about their art specifically:
http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=169

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The UniBomber? other Assassins (World?)

http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=7776

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Does George Steinbrenner go into sports?

That would completely depend on the approach. Is it about his owning the Yankees, his business , or his 'Seinfeld' stuff?

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Ted Turner, he used to own sports teams.

Again, it depends on what you're talking about.


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Where does Ken Burns get pigeonholed?

If it's about his life, Celebrities. If it's his movies, then Movies.

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Do the Columbine kids go into World or History?

If it's about the kids, People. If it's about the event, History.

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Do questions about books that have authors as answers go in Literature or does the 'authors into People' apply then too?

http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=4293

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Where do religious leaders go?

http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=17448
http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=17490
http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?cat=10988
etc.

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Any question about a specific person should go into People or Celebrities. Else, every person question should go into the applicable category [...] and get rid of the People and Celebrity categories in the single Question Format.


Quite simply, single questions are categorized the same way as you would categorize quizzes except video games go to Entertainment since there is no VG in single-qs, and FC topics go into their specific categories.
Just as there are always problems and exceptions with quizzes there will always be categorization problems and exceptions with single-qs. There's no need to over-complicate this with hypotheticals and what-ifs. If there is a concern then it will be dealt with as it is presented. There's almost always a place for it.


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#661151 - Fri Oct 14 2011 02:11 PM Re: Need help with a category
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To add a little more confusion to the "entertainment-related people go to Celebrities, not People" - quizzes on specific musicians go to Music (but mixed musicians quizzes go to Celebs).

Many of these cases in the few posts above are the cases where editors are quite forgiving about improper categorization of a quiz/question. It's not always clear cut where a particular quiz should go and like Kyle in said in many cases it totally depends on what approach you're taking with your quiz, e.g. if it's more about the person or their work. In some cases, you may be asked to alter the approach of some of your questions so that they quiz does fit properly into a category. We have often have discussions amongst ourselves of where certain quizzes should go, so it's certainly not held against the quiz's author that they weren't sure.
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#661153 - Fri Oct 14 2011 02:21 PM Re: Need help with a category
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We have often have discussions amongst ourselves of where certain quizzes should go, so it's certainly not held against the quiz's author that they weren't sure.


We do ask that you try your best though. Finding a quiz about flying fish in the Religion category probably won't be the best idea. wink
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#661155 - Fri Oct 14 2011 02:27 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Originally Posted By: kyleisalive
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We have often have discussions amongst ourselves of where certain quizzes should go, so it's certainly not held against the quiz's author that they weren't sure.


We do ask that you try your best though. Finding a quiz about flying fish in the Religion category probably won't be the best idea. wink


Nope as I mentioned in a post recently (I think it was in another thread on the same topic...) you *are* supposed to find the correct category for your quiz and sending something to the obliviously completely wrong category can create an unnecessary delay in having it bounce around. Just meant to say that we do know there are plenty of cases where it's not so obvious and are understanding about that! Not that I mean to speak for all editors, but it seems like we're all pretty understanding about miscategorization when it's not a clear-cut case. smile


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#661156 - Fri Oct 14 2011 02:32 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Of course. I wasn't really quoting you so much as adding on. tongue
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#661164 - Fri Oct 14 2011 02:43 PM Re: Need help with a category
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All those Cats you link to are from Quizzes. This discussion is about single questions which do not come with those category subsections in the pull down selection menu as options.

The pull down menu is not copiable so I jotted down three of the Cat descriptions as shown in the Single Question Quest.
1)Literature (Authors, classics, plays, poetry, SciFi, Best sellers, etc {Why a cat description is allowed an 'etc' is baffling}).
2)Sports (IMPORTANT make sure you identify the sport your qn is about!! {double exclamation marks})
3)People (artists, explorers, politicians, writers, quotes. etc.{again})
#1 would indicate that authors should go in the Literature area (yet the People area calls for ..., writers, etc.)
#2 would indicate the need for subcategories.
#3 would indicate that politicians go there and not in World.

Why the discourse? Because the confusion is not fun for us question authors even while everything seems so neat for the editors and their domains. But I think I've shown that things can fit into multiple places and neither editor would say, "No, this goes somewhere else" and also cases where the rules say it goes there but the editor says "Elsewhere, please". And it seems the rules ARE different between Quiz and Single question.


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#661167 - Fri Oct 14 2011 02:51 PM Re: Need help with a category
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Firstly, it's been my experience single questions are rarely if ever rejected for miscategorization. I don't know if any editor is doing so, but I don't think so. If it seems like it's in the wrong category, we move it ourselves. If you submit a question on a politician to People and the People editor moves it World and the World editor accepts it - why is this a big deal to you? Does it really matter to you, as the question author, where it ended up?

Secondly, no #2 does not require subcategories, subcategories would get entirely complicated in the single questions. It just means tell players what sport you're asking about, just as in TV we ask question authors to identify what show they're asking about. You don't know how many questions I've seen that simply read something like "Where did Bob work in season seven?" - how is a player supposed to answer that?
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#661169 - Fri Oct 14 2011 03:03 PM Re: Need help with a category
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May I ask that you apply that Caveat to the Television Single question menu option (which is void of any restraints) And a lot of my point here is from the taker side too. When I see single questions that violate category rules, I CN it but then am told not to do that, when it's the rules that are wrong or confusing not my CN.
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