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#65037 - Thu Jan 25 2001 05:28 PM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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Sorry to keep picking on you, BagLady, but I think there are two names in your entry for today. I looked it up and this is what I came up with...

The volcanic mountain in your entry is called Nevado de Colima. It´s also known as Tzapotépetl in the native Aztec language.

The search turned up this: Nevado de Colima or Tzapotépetl, and Nevado de Colima o Tzapotépetl (o means "or" in Spanish).

This is one of the webpages, look almost halfway down the page:
http://www.climber.org/TripReports/1997/popo.html


Therefore I challenge the points for Tzapotépetl...sorry!


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#65038 - Thu Jan 25 2001 09:33 PM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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Sorry guys, but I still disagree with BL's entry... I searched in 'Google' and this is what I found.. Her entry still seems to be two different things; the plateau is in the highlands--it should be one or the other

Tibetan-Qinghai Highlands or
Qinghai-Xizang Plateau


Qinghai, or Tsinghai
... in the Tibetan-Qinghai Highlands. It is bounded on the north and east by the province
of Gansu, on the southeast by Sichuan, on the southwest by Tibet (Xizang ... www.comptons.com/encyclopedia/ARTICLES/0150/01505024_A.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages

Ice Cores / Glaciochemistry
... in different climatic regions in the highlands of central Asia will ... Karakoram and
south-eastern Tibetan (Qinghai-Xizang) Plateau, will likely hold ... www.grg.sr.unh.edu/hipp/KduWkshp_contents/2-2.html - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

If you can find that entry with those 4 words listed in that order please post the site for me.

I'm sorry..

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#65039 - Fri Jan 26 2001 02:46 AM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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Over to Baglady for her defence....I will judge the entry after that...PLUS...Baglady, you will need to come up with a defence against yesterday's entry as well.
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#65040 - Fri Jan 26 2001 03:48 AM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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I am a bit in the same position as CB in this... I didn't know if we were allowing words that describe what the high thing is eg, mountain, hill, peak etc. If you dont allow mountain then you cant allow BL's entry of Tai Mo Shan which translates as Big Cloud Mountain although the word Shan also means hill in Chinese. (Incidently BL I can see it from my window here and it is HIGH!!!)I still do not think the rules were made clear enough...sorry, we cant allow words because they are foreign ones and not allow English ones now can we?

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#65041 - Fri Jan 26 2001 03:53 AM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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Too true Ren...but I'm not fluent in several different languages and I didn't know they more or less meant the same thing.

If I allow "mountains"...this word might be more points than the same word in a different language...now that wouldn't be fair. It's a tough call...but I will stick with my position on just the english version being invalid. Foreign language counts because I don't know better !! lol

Plus...everyone has been scored all week like that....If I changed the way it was scored now, it wouldn't be fair to anyone who kept within the boundaries. I'll just have to learn from this mistake and not do it again.

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#65042 - Fri Jan 26 2001 09:02 AM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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Sypher, (insert a BIG sigh here) my question is--- what is included in this week's topic? If we are limited to specific mountains and mountain ranges, wouldn't that exclude broad geographical areas known as "Highlands" or "Plateaus"? If that is the case, then all of BagLady's entry is invalid (and not just the words that come before Highlands or Plateau).
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#65043 - Sat Jan 27 2001 12:51 AM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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Hi again Sypher...

Oh, my, my, my......Where do I begin? lol

"Highlands will not count for points as this is a decriptive term." Maybe I'm missing something here, but Highlands is no more descriptive than Cordillera, which has been allowed in the game. They both describe Mountains, or Mountain Ranges, which are not acceptable terms in the game. So if Cordillera is acceptable, so should Highlands. (or Plateau, for that matter)

BL's entry of Tai Mo Shan? I think that was Mama's entry....it's actually kind of cute....Mama & I have been confused on several occasions during Snake games....I'm honored once again, Mama!

As far as my entry of Nevado de Colima o Tzapotépet goes, I got it from a Mexico Mountains website, and since I'm not versed in the native Aztec language, I have to admit I used the entry as it was stated on the site.

In all fairness, could someone please furnish us with the actual literal translation of some of this week's other locations?

Demirkazik Tepe, Yu Shan, Namloser Wetterspitze, El Volcán de Arequipa, El Cerro Del Aripo, Ostre Leirungstind, Dome de Rochefort, Thabana-Ntlenyana, Aiguille Blanche de Peuterey, Riesengebirge, Yding Skovhoj, Jabal an-Nabi Shuayb, Beinn Liath Mhor a'Ghiubhais Li, Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta, Aran Fawddy, Yablonovyy, Nyainqentanghla West (Peak), Tai Mo Shan, Nevado de Colima o Tzapotépetl, Dzyarzhynskaya, Aiguille de Chambeyron

While I will not agree that my entry of Tibetan-Qinghai-Xizang Highlands is two separate locations, I will concede that it could read 'Tibetan-Qinghai-Xizang Plateau'. Qinghai-Xizang is one of THREE 'Highlands' in the area, so in this case, I still believe my entry was correct as entered, disallowing, if you see fit, the Highlands part of it.

Thanks again for reading!

BL

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#65044 - Fri Jan 26 2001 02:09 PM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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But, BagLady, my point is that "highlands" are not mountains or mountain ranges---they are broad geographical areas that are mountainous (or at higher elevation). Simailarly, "plateaus" are parts of mountainous regions that are relatively flat. But both refer to broad features of the terrain rather than to specific mountains or discrete mountain ranges. That's why I don't think they meet the criteria for this week's topic--and that's why I feel your entire entry is invalid.

If I posted Scottish Highlands as an entry, even if Sypher disallowed the word "Highlands", would "Scottish" still be acceptable? I think not. Yet we all know the Scottish Highlands exist--they do--they just don't fit into this week's topic. I think your entry falls into the same category.

I do think that your point about the names of all those other entries is well taken.

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#65045 - Fri Jan 26 2001 06:00 PM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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I am going to try and sort this mess out tomorrow....it is too late for all of this headache...lol

Points will be added, taken and probably multiplied by the time I am finished...Who knows who will be at the top !!

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#65046 - Fri Jan 26 2001 06:24 PM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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LOL, Sypher Maybe you should relax this weekend and watch the movie, "The Man Who Went Up A Hill But Came Down A Mountain".


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#65047 - Fri Jan 26 2001 08:23 PM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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#65048 - Sat Jan 27 2001 06:06 AM Re: SnakeTalk - Game 54 - Vertical Limits
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OK...Final Say !!

Baglady's defence was superb....
CB's challnge on Highlands....You are correct in saying that 'Scottish Highlands' would be invalid but according to Baglady's definition of 'Highlands', the term has been used for several different types of land formation. In Baglady's case, her entry is a mountain and not a highland.

As for it being a plateau...it is at the top of a mountain, so I guess it can still count. Maybe I should have stated a certain height above sea level for any entry to count, but that is a bit late now.

So, as far as all of the challenges go....Baglady had done a great job in defending her entry. BUT, since those entries all fall into grey areas, the challengers will not lose points either for failed attempts.

There was no easy way out of this situation and I hope I haven't upset too many people, but it is a tough call to make.

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