#656518 - Sun Sep 25 2011 10:44 PM
Re: Famous people and their 'good causes'
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Thank you for the feedback Christinap. A scrapyard doesn't sound much like the 'green-belt' discussed earlier here. In the US a scrapyard is a place where junked autos, dead appliances and other bulk waste goes to enjoy the afterlife. Is a British junkyard something different than that? If 400 people here wanted to live in a junk yard, purchased the junkyard and then made it habitable, I don't think anyone would seek to evict them. Here evictions are performed on tenants by a landlord. Is it that even though the Travellers bought the property, they don't really own it, a Landlord does? Did they just purchase private use rights rather than ownership? Is a peer of the realm the real owner? Reading the history of Basildon shows me the town didn't even exist fifty years ago. That itself it was a community built to accomodate the overflow of folks travelled out from London after WWII. The location of Basildon must make property values very high. Is there a chance that developers have fanned the hatred of Tinkers in an effort to make the land available to them for other purposes? Also telling someone the land they own cannot be built on IS one way of driving down the market value and setting up a better deal for a prospective purchaser. I don't mean to take sides here, I'm just asking what seem to be obvious questions to the interested third party. A scrapyard near the sea, very intriguing property, one worth speculating on (he he he) Is Basil Fawlty looking for land to build a new hotel on? edit: I see in the Wikipedia entry for Dale Farm that: "In 2008, Essex County Council's Racial Equality Council funded a £12,000 community centre built at the site, built without planning permission." That sounds like tacit approval for the community existence (at least from a sympathetic government branch). And the article also mentions that the local authorities used the site to dump macadam and other construction debris even while it was in 'green-belt' status. Here is a link to the Wikipedia brief article on Dale Farm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Farm
Edited by mehaul (Sun Sep 25 2011 11:14 PM)
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#656560 - Mon Sep 26 2011 04:24 AM
Re: Famous people and their 'good causes'
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A £12,000 Center can't be much more than the hotel smoking walls you mentioned. If one clan owns the whole Dale Farm, what are these mentions of not all paying their (taxes?). If the 'Clan' bought the property, was it as a corporate entity or as individual owners? Is some Duke or Earl or other Lord completely apart from owning the land and what goes on on it? I just watched "The Lair of the White Worm" and Hugh Grant's character seemed to be everyone's landlord even though other characters mentioned they had bought their property.
edit: Did any of the rioting of a month ago around London take place in this area?
Edited by mehaul (Mon Sep 26 2011 04:26 AM)
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#656584 - Mon Sep 26 2011 07:33 AM
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Sorry to disappoint you mehaul but there are no sinister Dukes or Earls or Lords lurking anywhere in the background here. The way they work is the whole familly puts up the money to buy the land and the title deeds are then put in one persons name and they carry on like that until every adult male in the family owns land somewhere. In this instance they bought the land outright from the owner of the scrapyard - which incidentally is the same as in the States - junked cars, car parts, that sort of thing.
As to taxes, it has been reported in some papers here that many of the women are claiming council tax and other benefits as single mothers, however, when a reporter stated that most of the women were unmarried mothers this was hotly disputed by one of the older women, saying that all of the younger women who had children were in fact married. If they are married then their benefit claims were untrue. You rarely see any of the men of Dale Farm on TV but there are plenty there all running some sort of "business" - all on a cash basis - tarmacing drives,rubbish clearance, which then gets fly tipped somewhere, that sort of thing, and getting an assesment on them for tax is nigh on impossible, let alone getting them to pay it.
None of the rioting a month ago took place here.
Quick up-date - the local lunch time news reported on a protest meeting held by local residents who say they have had enough, they can't take any more and if the Council don't get on an evict the Dale Farm residents they will be holding a protest march and organising "other repercussions" (unspecified).
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#834650 - Sat Oct 27 2012 01:12 PM
Re: Famous people and their 'good causes'
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I wish these celebs would be informed about stuff, rather than pouncing all over something because “everybody’s doing it” or some such other logic. Show me someone who truly understands a situation and wants to help make it better for that reason, and whoever it is has my respect. None of this “”give me more publicity” hogwash.
I’m always confused by those who feel it’s OK to “bend” or break rules. How, exactly, does that pay? It may seem to, in the short term, but at some point it’s ten times worse than if the rules were obeyed in the first place!
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