Sypher - Glenlivet is a wonderfully smooth single malt whisky. If you let me have the challenge on Mama to myself, I'll buy you one!

Mamaja's is all yours !!

Hey everybody - the Glenlivets are on me!!!

Sypher - just sent you a PM.

Mama - sorry about the challenge 'cos I really like you. If I buy you 10 Bahama Mamas will you still talk to me?

CB - two words come to mind - "straws" and "clutching". Give in gracefully, girl!!!!

Well, I don't know Somali. Let me think - gulp slurp gulp slurp slurp burp...
Ok, We can still be friends!!!!
I can't argue at all on your challenge because, thinking back to the spot I found the course, I know it was top holes in each respective country and I'm sure you're right. But the Bahama Mamas helped a lot. You look MAHVELOUS!!!! LOL!!! I'll forgive any challenge if the price is right!!!!
But when Baglady wins because of me, she always buys the drinks at the end of the week, so you'd better start counting your pennies!!!!!

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Sieze the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart.
Erma Bombeck

Sypher--This week's topic is Golf Venues--not the names of the specific 18 hole courses--but the venues. Well, the Robert Trent Jones Trail which encompasses 8 cities in Alabama is a golf venue. These 8 locations are all under a single "umbrella".
It is a rather unique golf construction project.
http://www.rtjgolf.com/courses.htm

One of the locations of the Robert Trent Jones Trail is in Birmingham and it is called Qxmoor Valley--but Oxmoor Valley is PART OF the Robert Trent Jones Trail.
To identify this site from the other 7 cities, it is called Oxmoor Valley-Robert Trent Jones Trial. And that is how my entry read.

I really think I deserve full credit on this one--and I do have a Web site to back me up (the one I previously posted). The word "venue" is open to interpretation---but, the Robert Trent Jones Trial is considered a unified entity--and, hence, would be one "venue" . All of the 8 courses would formally have that name, in addition to a specific location name.

Sypher...I don't understand ....If PARTSDUDE gave you verification on his entry, yet you found another that didn't agree with his, who's to say who's right or wrong? I always thought that if we could back up our entries (on the oft-times fallible internet) that we would get our points.

As far as CB's entry goes, the Golf Courses (9 & 18-holes) of the Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail in Alabama are:

Oxmoor Valley-Robert Trent Jones Trail
Highland Oaks-RTJ Trail
Silver Lakes-RTJ Trail
Magnolia Grove-RTJ Trail
Hampton Cove-RTJ Trail
Capitol Hill-RTJ Trail

As much as it pains me to actually defend CB (lol), it really looks like all these clubs are separate entities. Hmmmmm!

BL

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Have you ever noticed what golf spells backwards?
....Al Boliska

Sypher--BagLady and I posted at the same time, but she backs up eveything I said in my last post. Are you convinced now?

I guess all those other great long names BL gave in her post are now invalid for the rest of the game because they have been mentioned in this thread. Too bad

Thanks, BL--I owe you a drink It'll help ease the pain

Oh, shoot, CB, I never thought of that...aaargh! Ah well, we'll just have to find some other long beauties!

BTW, thanks for the drink offer...I'm fighting a real beaut of a cold, so something medicinal would be lovely...actually, several of them would be lovely!

BL

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Have you ever noticed what golf spells backwards?
....Al Boliska

Baglady, I actually found more than one site that verified the full name that I posted on Tuesday. But since it was only a 9 hole course and that DQed my entry, I didn't press the matter. Thanks for speaking up for me though!

Chelseabelle - all I can say is that's one bloody big "umbrella"!

somall--that's why I included the Web address for that "umbrella" in one of my previous posts. It's a very unique concept in golf. But the same name (the trail) does cover individual golf locations in 8 cities. I really was not grasping on this one. I have a Web site to back me up and BagLady seems to have found another.

BagLady--You can have any drink you want. I'll mix them up by the sinkful
for you. They will be so large they will come with BEACH UMBRELLAS!
Hope you feel better soon .

So, Sypher...

Chelse, I'll take your side anyway, but can I have one of the beach umbrella drinks too? Bag Lady looks a little weak - I probably better be there to push her stool up close to the bar!!!!

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Sieze the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart.
Erma Bombeck

My only question about CB's entry is, when have we been allowed to use hyphenated words? I've found some sites with 'hyphens' in them and didn't want to risk it.

Can we use them? I need to know?

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Pinhead I'm not sure whether hyphenated proper names are in the same category as other hyphenated words. I thought we have always been able to use hyphenated names--no? Maybe Sypher will clear it up.

Mamaja I'm now mixing the drinks in the Country Club swimming pool (drained first, of course), because of the heavy demand. We can float around the alcohol laced pool on rubber rafts and suck up the drinks through long pieces of tubing. But, if you insist, I'll get you a glass.

Sypher--I'm still waiting for your ruling on my entry. You don't want to argue with BagLady, do you? You know that if she's defending me, my entry must be correct

Sypher - If Oxmoor Vally is the course and the trails part is the venue, then her entry is invalid because the trails part doesn't start with an "O".

No hope of me winning this week, eh? Darn, and I was so close! LOL

I don´t know what´s wrong with my connection, but lately I´ve been having THE hardest time logging on...hence my missed entry last night. I need a pool-full to just keep me from bashing the bloody pc in! Someone please come to my rescue with an umbrella drink....

Sage--My entire entry is the correct name of the course located in Birmingham. That is the venue (of the trail) in Birmingham. But my entire entry is correct--that's the name of the course (3 18 hole courses) at that location. And, it begins with an "O". I think Sypher's info is a little incomplete.

CB - I agree with you in the sense that it is the name of the course and the rules stated "Golf courses". However, Sypher has made a rulling against individual courses. If he allows hyphinated words, then the entries with "at" should be allowed. You see? He can't say no on one and yes on the other when they are basically the same.

Chelseabelle....In every game and in the rules it states I have the last word and final decision in what is valid or not. Even though I am the person who is challenging, there is also Somali...so my judgement would still be the same.

I have checked the Alabama tourism site that writes about the trail.....but it also mentions that they are individual venues with their own courses. The Clubs name does not include 'The trail'. Your defence is good but flawed, you will get points for your first two words and that is it, only because you will mislead by some websites. If you had looked around to make sure exactly what the name was, you would have found the info I had found. Face it CB, you know when someone posts a long entry, people are gonna try and challenge it !!

As for hypernated words....I think that rule is in the Rules !! Can't remember off the top of my head !!

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...and I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues !!

Good call, Sypher! My, but you're determined to win this week aren't you? Thought your entry looked ripe for a challenge but no, I can't fault it.

On the subject of The Rules, I've found an old thread called "Snake Rules - The Final Edition". Can't find any mention of hyphens - is there another set of rules somewhere?

According to "The Final Edition", item 4 says "All words must be English" - which would exclude quite a few of this week's entries. Item 6 says "No word must be repeated" - and again we've had a few of those both this week and last week.

For the sake of us troublesome newbies, do you think you could produce a Final Final Edition of the Rules?

Although I've done well out of challenges this week, I do think they're unfair on players in other time zones. Don't know what the solution to this would be, but I am sure there must be one somewhere.

Sypher - Your entry for today is hyphenated. Are you being catty? Messing with our minds?

"Saukie" is the course and the Memorial part is the venue. Your entry is invalid if this is true? Don't have time to check this out more. Got to go to work now.

[This message has been edited by Sagebrush (edited 02-15-2001).]

Sage....As somali has pointed out, there was no rule on hypernated words in the Final Edition. The hypernated rule worked on week by week basis depending on the game topic.

Somali - When the rules were first written, most topics were in English and foreign words were disallowed. Only problem now is the vast diversity of topics. I would have to keep updating the rules every week. That is why there is a Valid & Invalid Rule section each week. The Final Edition Rules is a basic guideline and the nitty gritty is what is posted every week with the topic.

BTW....Sage, my entry is good. That is the full name of the venue.

Sypher-I have been playing Snake since the game started. We have always used Web references for verification, and you have invariably accepted a Web site given by a player when their entry was challenged. In a recent example, in the Mountains game, you accepted BagLady's challenged entry, even though all other Web sites that other players checked did not have that entry as BL used it. I do not recall your telling BL that she was "misled" by the information on the Web site she used, nor can I recall you saying that to any other players.

So why am I suddenly the only player--that I can recall- to have my
Web site verification tossed aside and dismissed? Because you choose to put your faith in the Alabama tourist board Web sites? My info came from a very comprehensive golf Web site. In addition, if one reads the pages of the Robert Trent Jones Trail Web site, it is apparent why these 8 golf venues would all bear that name in addition to their location/course names--they are all part of the same golf complex.
But, you discounted not only my Web reference, you discounted the Web reference submitted by BagLady in my defense. So, was BagLady also "mislead" by her Web information when she said that my entry was valid?

You are quite right--you have the final say in these matters, but I find I no longer have much confidence in either the impartiality or the consistency of your decisions. You clearly have players you favor and you disregard quite legitimate challenges in order to award them their points. There are other players to whom you rarely give the benefit of the doubt. On the whole, I think you have been quite fair to me, but that doesn't mean I like what I see going on.

In a recent game, when Pinhead and I both made a successful challenge at precisely the same time, you wanted us to split the bonus points--although our posts both bore exactly the same time imprint. Only after a fuss was made by me did you give us both our full bonus points. But, today, I noticed that you and somall both picked up points for challenging my entry. Sypher, why did you deserve the points you awarded to yourself? Were you the first player to make the challenge?

This week began with your putting many words on the invalid list except for the curious omission of the word "links" which you then coincidently used in yur first entry. One doesn't have to know anything about golf to know that "links" is synonomous with "golf course". But, after your entry was questioned, you did not say, "Oh my gosh--how could I have been so dumb?", you referred back to YOUR OWN list of invalid words in a lame attempt to defend a really indefensible entry, before you grudgingly deleted some points from your score.

I really do not care about winning at Snake. Since the game started I have won vey rarely. So,if I played only to win I would have quit a long time ago. But, when the process of playing the game becomes extemely frustrating because rules are loosely or inconsistently applied, and decisions are arbitrary rather than fair, I see no reason at all in continuing to play.

When you disregard Web references given by TWO players (myself and BagLady) in defense of a challenge, because you decide they are "misleading"--even though you have ALWAYS accepted such Web validation in the past--then this game has hit rock bottom for me.

As of today my time slot is available to anyone who cares to take it.

Sypher - I think Sage could be right about his challenge of your entry. Aaarrghhhh! and I missed the opportunity!!

When I did a quick check on your entry, I found it straightaway just as you'd written it (we must be using the same web site). But reading Sage's comment made me look again. This time I found Saukie Golf Club was the venue - no mention of the Richard A Welch Memorial bit. So that's the opposite way round to what Sage thought, but I think he should be awarded the challenge.

And to think I imagined things could only get better after the week at the circus!

CB - now you've got that off your chest, let me buy you a drink - anything you like - hang the expense. In the words of Nasty Nick from "Big Brother" - It's only a game show!