Oops - double post!

[This message has been edited by somali (edited 02-15-2001).]

Well, first off, I think we're talking Olympic sized swimming pool to quench this, ah, thirst! Everybody take a big swig and relax.
On the subject of Hyphenated names, I know I haven't been here since the very beginning, but I joined pretty early on, and I don't remember any prohibition on hyphenations EXCEPT IN A WEEK WHERE WE ARE LIMITED ON THE NUMER OF WORDS IN THE ENTRY, AND THEN IT COUNTS EACH WORD SEPARATELY
On the subject of verification and web sites, I am sorry but I have to say that CB makes some pretty valid points. This business of saying that if someone had checked a few more sites, they would have found something different rubs me the wrong way. No one has time to exhaust all of the possible search info for a silly game, and even if you did, how would you know which was truly the authoritative expert on the particular subject. I don't think anyone should take any of this personally - I'm talking not only to CB but Sypher too! - but I can see how a challenge can end up taking on that feeling. And some of the stuff gets pretty nit-picky and frustrating. Sypher, you did screw up on "Links" this week, and CB's right - you weren't too quick to 'fess up. But it got straightened out and that's the point. Let's all keep a perspective and remember that this is a game and that we can all chill and enjoy. Please?
Now, Somali, two more rubber rafts and couple of big straws - as
Emeril Lagasse would say, "Lets get everybody happy!!!!"

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Sieze the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart.
Erma Bombeck

Right on, Mama! Come on in, Chelseabelle, the alcohol's lovely. Please resume playing tomorrow - I had a whole selection of Q and Z golf courses lined up ready. Now can someone help me clamber out of this umbrella - pleeeeease!!

This is in response to Chelseabelle -

First, I have no particular favorite player !! Nice and Simple !!

Second - As you said a week ago, why should you and Pinhead split the points for a challenge, so this time round I didn't say anything. Somali's challenge was posted as I was typing out a similar challenge with a bit more info. Fair enough, I believed I deserved it more as I had researched the challenge before making it.

Third - I don't ignore web-sites that are given as a defence but considering I have to find out if the entry is valid I end up going to a lot of different sites. When I typed your entry into Yahoo!!, I indeed came up with a site that saids your entry as the venue name. I then checked other sources to find out if I could back that one up. I then found an explanation of why 4 cities have 'the trail'. In my opinion and the way I read it, the Alabama Tourism Site (Which has a link just for golf) gave a good explanation which went against your entry. I never disregarded Baglady or your defence, I just had to dig deeper to find out who was right. I would have gone to the same trouble even if it wasn't me who was challenging.

I'm sorry that you feel that my judgement is now clouded and not impartial anymore. Sometimes, judgements go against players. What can I say !!

So, to clear a few things up....I will knock off the 10 points from my own score as Somali was first to challenge you by 4 minutes. Your entry will still only get points for the first two words because I think I have justified myself enough and researched it enough to base your score on what I have found, even after checking yours and Baglady's websites.

Changing the subject - Sage, I hate to admit it but you might be right about my entry. The course is the only one there and it looks like it doesn't even have a club house. So it might not even be a club. It could just be a golf course open to the public without having to be a member. Well done !! Your challenge stands and you get 10 points.

Does anyone else feel that my running of this game is no longer any good...if so, please say...I don't mind stepping down and let someone else run this for awhile. Work has got very busy and I don't always have the time to check what everyone is saying.

Your Call !!

Now, Sypher, don't take it to heart. Grab a rubber raft and join us in the pool.

Baglady - excellent entry - my money's on you to win this week!

Waiter - another round of Bahama Mamas!

Sypher--you didn't have to run around doing research on my entry. As long as BagLady and I both had Web sites to back up my entry, what more did you need? When did you stop accepting Web sites as valid defense of a challenge? When was the last time you completely disregarded the Web verification the challenged player gave you? Never (as far as I can remember)--until now. Can't you see how arbitrary and inconsistent you are being? You never even asked me for the Web address for the verification info I posted in this thread (it did not come from the Robert Trent Jones Trail Web site whose address I did post)--I don't know whether you asked BagLady for her URL. So you didn't check out these sites for accuracy--you just disregarded them.
Isn't it just possible that golf Web sites might be MORE accurate than the Alabama tourist board site? (for one thing that "trail" complex includes 8 cities, and not just 4 which seems to suggest a lack of accuracy at the sites you used).

Thanks for the drink offers, somall and Mamaja, but I'm really not interested. I will, however, buy several rounds for all of you.

My time slot is still available to anyone who wants it. And that will be true even if Sypher rethinks the situation and gives me full points for my entry. This has nothing to do with points or winning. This game is just no longer fun for me. Too controversial

Enjoy the game. The drinks are on me.

You know what....you are right...I didn't ask for your sites. I waited for you to defend it, but that doesn't matter now, does it.
I am going to blame my inconsistency (as you put it) down to the fact that since the start of this year my workload has quadrupled. I don't have the time to ask for everything. The game has been running long enough for the regular players to know that a website is needed. As for your's.....I did find websites with your entry, so I presumed that you might have found them there. Not once have I said....'I have never found a site saying your entry'. All, I'm saying and this is looking at the URL you posted that each city has it's own venue and when combined it forms the 'Trail'. BUT the club name still does not have 'the trail' in it's name.

Let's put it this way, I am always willing to hear both sides of a challenge, and I have listened to you.

Posted by Sypher 2/13/2001:

--BTW...Entries have to start with a letter that counts as points, and not an entry that starts in brackets or an Invalid word !!--

Therefore I challenge BagLady´s entry for today of

Golf Club Rheinhessen Hofgut Wibberg St.Johann

Sorry BL!!

Hi Fort....

The actual name of the 'Golf Club' is Rheinhessen Hofgut Wißberg St. Johann
, not Golf Club Rheinhessen Hofgut Wißberg St. Johann. The only reason 'Golf Club' is 1st, is that's the way the Germans put in on their web site, so that's the way I posted it. The actual name does start with the required "R", as per the rules.

BL

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Taxes and golf are alike....you drive your heart out for the green, and then end up in the hole.

[This message has been edited by BagLady (edited 02-15-2001).]

Lord, BL, between your entries, which are themselves masterpieces, and the quotes you have come up with, I must bow to you with all due deference and say, SHAZAMMMM!!! Pour me another and let me watch the magic!!!!

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Sieze the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart.
Erma Bombeck

I agree with Fort. BL's entry Does start with a G. All the German courses don't start with 'Golf Club'. I got these from a German site.

I could have used some of them too, but Sypher stated that any entry that started with '( words )' would be invalid.

ST. JOHANN
Golf Club Rheinhessen Hofgut WiBberg-St. Johann
Address: Hofgut WiBberg, 55578 St. Johann
Holes: 18

ST. PETER-ORDING
Nordsee Golfclub St. Peter-Ording
Address: Zum Böhler Strand 16, 25826 St. Peter-Ording
Holes: 9

ST. WENDEL
Rolling Hills Golfclub Baumholder
Address: 66509 St. Wendel
Holes: 9

STEINFURT
Golfclub Münsterland
Address: Bagno., 48565 Steinfurt
Holes: 9

Sorry BL.

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"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.".............
Dan Quayle

[This message has been edited by Pinhead (edited 02-15-2001).]

Sypher--I am dumbfounded that you could admit that you verified my entry on your own--but just chose to consider it
partially invalid anyway.

The URL for my entry is:

Oxmoor Valley-Robert Trent Jones Trail (Birmingham, AL)
http://www3.traveller.com/scripts/golf_db?club=61

As a parting gift to my (former) fellow players, I give all of you this URL--it's a GREAT site.

Golf Course Database Menu
http://www3.traveller.com/scripts/golf_db?menu=main

I hope that URL makes tomorrow a little easier for all of you Have another round of drinks on me

Sypher - You don't have to give me the challange points. I was trying to set things streight more than challanging.

You know what, whatever decision I decide to make on Baglady's entry will be considered wrong by someone. Personally, I agree with Pinhead and Fortunata....I too could have used some great names from Germany and Austria, but some of them do have Golf Club in front. So, even though Baglady will not like it, and Chelseabelle will probably come to her defence (can you tell that I am wound up by CB)....The challenge on Baglady's entry stands. I'm afraid it is zero points for Baglady.

Sage - You called the challenge first, you get the points for my entry. No problemo !!

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...and I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues !!

Actually Sage, after looking at several other player's entries where (Golf Course) is in the title....I believe my entry is valid.

I will send you the URL to see what you think !!

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...and I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues !!

No, Sypher, BagLady doesn't like it, but I don't necessarily need CB to come to my defense, I'll take care of it myself. It's really pretty silly, given that we know that my entry (after Golf Club) was the actual name of the club.

Please go to: http://www.golffuehrer.de/

Click on "Golf Clubs" (on the left), then on Deutschland, then on Auswahl A-Z. Click on "R" and scroll down the page....you will see:

Rheinhessen Hofgut Wißberg St. Johann e.V., Golfclub

And on the golfeurope site, there is a whole page of "Golf Clubs" in Germany by Region, with the names of the clubs, followed by the words "Golf Club".

Thanks.

BL

In golf as in life it is the follow through that makes the difference.

I do apologise....your website (and it is German) does show your entry as it is....Points will be re-instated. Fortunata will lose the extra 10 points for the challenge.

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...and I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues !!

Thank you Sypher.

BL

In view of all the alcohol-fuelled excitement of yesterday, I thought maybe we should lay off the booze today, so I'll be coming round with the tea trolley instead. You can have tea, coffee, hot chocolate or fruit juice. On my trolley I also have jam doughnuts, Eccles cakes, cream horns, blueberry muffins, coconut madeleines and chocolate eclairs, which will be available on a first-come first-served basis. Let me know your preference and I will do my best to oblige. I must be off my trolley ho ho ho!

I love you, Somali!!! I'll take a steaming hot chocolate, with lots of marshmallow fluff (it blends better than just plain marshmallows!!!) and as for a pastry - what do you recommend? Plenty of calories to be sure - maybe something with chocolate icing? I'm ready for a calm cool quiet day of golf - got my balls and my clubs, and I'm revving up the cart!!!!
TGIF!!!!

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Sieze the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart.
Erma Bombeck

I'm afraid your Golf-cart will not get very far as I have stuck a banana up the tail-pipe !! LOL

Teeing off in 20 !! BTW have you met my partner in this celebraity round - TIGER WOODS....

Who wants to compete ? hehehehehehe

Well that's me finished for the day then. The courts put a restraining order on me after that incident with the automatic ball dispenser - I'm not allowed within 5 miles of Tiger Woods! Why did you have to pick him of all people?

Well then Sypher, you'll have to go round with the tea-trolley for me!

The Lord God Almighty and Saint Peter were playing eighteen holes. Local course, good weather and things were moving along pretty well, but the Lord was very concerned about having His best game, because He had a C-note ($100) riding on the outcome, and He did not want to let Pete win.
For this reason, God took it very slowly, planned every shot, and He tried to strategize like the best. "What club would Tiger Woods use in this situation?" He repeatedly asked His caddy.
Tenth green, God has gotten pretty frustrated, misses a putt, and shakes His fist at the heavens. Thunder rolls and lightening bolts tear from the sky.
Eleventh tee, and God sizes things up with his usual "What club would Tiger Woods use here?" He overshoots the green and again, the thunder rolls through the heavens.
Twelfth fairway, and The Lord has an awful lie. "What club would Tiger Woods use here?" The caddy tries his best to counsel, but again, the shot is off, and again the skies shake.
The game goes on like this, and the slower the play, the closer the other golfers get. Finally a foursome is waiting behind the Almighty and Saint Peter as they tee off on 16. The Almighty slices and the earth quakes as he goes off in search of his ball.
One member of the waiting foursome turns to Pete and asks, "Just who does this guy think he is anyway - God Almighty?"
"No," Saint Peter replies, "He thinks he's Tiger Woods."

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Sieze the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert cart.
Erma Bombeck

Sypher--is that your final answer?

I believe my challenge is good, and if Pinhead and even you agree then there must be something to it. The point is that you yourself stated that entries like that would be considered invalid--please reread your quote--so I challenged.

BagLady could have easily just typed in her entry as Rheinhessen Hofgut WiBberg St.Johann and it would have been fine...she did not need to add Golf Club, it´s obvious that it´s a golf venue as that is the topic for this week. Or she could have entered it as she did in her last post:
Rheinhessen Hofgut Wißberg St. Johann e.V., Golfclub. But she didn´t, and the fact that she put Golf Club at the beginning of her entry makes it invalid according to your rules. The entry, being whatever she types into her post, must begin with the correct letter.

Why make that rule up if you are not going to uphold it? I could have used some long entries that began like that...Pinhead could have used some...you said so yourself that you could have used them too, and I´m sure others could have as well. I´m beginning to agree with Chelseabelle that this game is no longer being scored fairly, and I can totally understand that you must be very busy with work , but this challenge is a no-brainer! LOL

[This message has been edited by Fortunata (edited 02-16-2001).]

Have to admit I thought BL's entry was ok - otherwise I'd have had a go at challenging it.

I read the rule about brackets as meaning ignore words in them for the purpose of starting or finishing an entry, eg:

Deep Lodge (Golf Club)

Could be followed by a name beginning with E from the end of Lodge, but NOT with B from the end of Club. So that the next entry could be:

East River (Golf Club) OR (Golf Club) Estpfalz Hof

Either would be ok because you just ignore the brackets. I don't know if my interpretation is right or wrong, but that's what I thought it meant.

On Monday, BL's entry also began with (Golf Club) S..... A...... E....... and that wasn't challenged so I thought it must be ok to just ignore what was in brackets.