I don't think it's Bin Ladden's work. Their terrorist operation were well planed and prepared. And resulted with large influence. If they use biotech weapon, most likely will be in public spot such like public square, railway station.... . Casulties will be large.

The first victim, Bob Stevens, died on Oct. 5. He was an photo editor of Sun, a tabloid focus on scandals of celebrities such like Princess Diana's affair, Clinton and Lewinsky affair or President's Tdrunken daughters. It seems he was much more a revenge target of some powerful celebrities then OBL and his Al -Qaida. Do you think terrorist know Bob and choose him the first target?

Now the anthrax threats seemed to be a purposed one. The only case of death attracts public's attention, (do you think terrorist will give you a signal to warn that they will bomb somewhere like TWC with hijacked planes?) then with the help of media , raise a wave of horror to push through "Patriot Act" to grip more power. And let people agree with them to abuse these power.

The next targets were chief of NBC and Senator Daschle. (For terrorist targets, President Bush, Defense Secretary Rumsfield are more likely) The purpose is obviously to intimidate Media and Legislature, which could have been a check power if there would be a frame case.

Least casulty to raise public's scare. Intimidation on media and legislature to create a surrounding to grip and abuse power without interference. A case created much more likely by Federal law enforcement agent than terrorist. That's my point of view. Hope there will be no more development for cover up after my comment. (Such like killing more people, expanding mailing range, the cover up work they used to do.This comment first posted on Oct. 21, 01)

39. Anthrax crisis, who has motive and resource(2)

1. The first victim, Bob Stevens, died on Oct. 5. He was an photo editor of Sun, a tabloid focus on scandals of celebrities such like Princess Diana's affair, Clinton and Lewinsky affair or President's Tdrunken daughters. It seems he was much more a revenge target of some powerful celebrities then OBL and his Al -Qaida. Do you think terrorist know Bob and choose him the first target?

Anthrax crisis, who has motive and resource (3)

Newspaper said 911 terrorist leader Atta made contact with an Iraq diplomat this spring in Czech. And the material found mixed in anthrax letter are used by three countries: US; Russia; Iraq. Iraq thus becomes a main suspect. This meets some government officials' demand. They need an excuse to extend war against countries which sponser terrorist. And Iraq is the most wanted.

If Iraq is behind this anthrax attack, then it's a 'friendly attack' because 1. The first victim is a US celebrities' dislike. 2. Through that death, it gave US a pre-warning that there would be an anthrax attack. 3. It's a 'mercy attack'. Casualty is light and victims are ordinary people. 4. It maintains an intension on media and legislation so that they'll support adminstration's dragged Afghanistan war.

But it's more like a little group's operation than a state sponsered biological warfare. The group took the chance of 911 terrorist bombing to test a new murder method by first mailing some brown granular material to NBC news on Sept. 18, then mailing letter with refined white powder to Senator Daschle on Oct. 8. They are testing the result of anthrax which were took from different sources step by step. And the fourth anthrax fatality, Nguyen, died mysteriously. She had no access to comtamination of bacteria. Her death won't cause any serious attention or trouble. She was a single, old minority, a perfect victim for a biology weapon test. Since anthrax is a restrict material, who has the authority and motive and resources to do that attack?

Anthrax crisis. Who has the resource and motive to do it?(4)

Anthrax crisis rose fast, faded fast. I review the whole case, get such conclusion.

1. The letter containing brown granular material to NBC News dated Sept. 18, Seven days after 911 WTC bombing. And all letters were mailed in N.J. Obviously taking the chance to owe it a terrorist attack.

2. The letter to Senator Daschle dated Oct. 8, at a time the government officials announced to extend war to "countries hosting terrorist" while Iraq is their most wanted. In that letter, a refined white powder was found mixed with a clay called bentonite which is said only three countries used with. They are: US, Russia and Iraq. At the same time, a news said terrorist leader Atta had contacted Irag diplomat in Czech this spring. An information obviously let out by intelligence. All these made to fit government's demand: Iraq was a big suspect.

3. The first victim Bob Stevens was a photo editor of a tabloid, much more a revenge target of powerful US celebrities than terrorist.

4. One thing touched my mind was Dan Rathor's angry face in TV when his assistant Fletch was tested positive in skin anthrax and his office was found contaminated. I have posted in a web site "CBS evening news". Host was Dan Rathor. The forum title was "My America dream". I had posted about ten messages there then found it was closed before I was going to put some more. My thread "My America nightmare" became the last one of that web site. I thus think Dan Rathor might know some of my story, or in another word, the dark side of Federal law enforcement agency. Because he is a media man, he becomes a target? Or is this just an intimidation?

5. Though Federal law enforcement agency hold big power, they still have a little check and balance in legislation such like they need legislation's approve for their "Patriot Act". When Rep. Gary Condit's case happened, I had a feeling it's almost the second edition of Clinton and Lewinsky scandal. All these need intelligence operation behind curtain. Affairs revealed, politicians told a lie try to cover the scandal, then evidence appeared to discridit them. At first, I didn't know why Condit was chosen. I got it when I saw the news said he is a member of 'intelligence committee'. A committee which oversees Federal law enforcement agency. That's the way they played once and again in peace time. Now it's war. From my angle, anthrax attack is another kind of extortion, or intimidation.

6. Ashcroft proposed "Patriot Act" on Sept. 24. It was passed on Oct.24. The anthrax letter targeted media and legislation, put a pressure on them, created a situation favoured law enforcement agency to grip more power, and pushed public to support government's 'war' policy.

7. The powder found in letter to Daschle is weapons grade. Yet none staffs in the room suffered casulty when the letter was opened and powder was spewing into the air. But casulties were considerable in postal workers even though the letters were sealed well with four sides taped.

8. Who has the ability to get different anthrax products. (It should be a restrict material) Especially the white powder is weapon grade. Even in US, I think maybe there is only one or two secret lab carry it.

9. I posted my doubt on Oct. 21. Said it was a "least casulty to raise public scare". Then there were three deaths occured (Oct. 21,22,31) I alleged it was a cover up. And all three were minorities, two blacks and a Vietnamese. In my experience, scapegoat used to be minority, mostly black people. Hope this won't cause another cover up operation. (first put into internet on Nov. 13)

Have you always been this paranoid?

I think that kathaksung is the same person who posted a couple of months ago about government agents implanting things in his/her brain and then bombarding him with radio messages. The last I heard, he was sleeping under sheet metal to keep the radio waves from disturbing him just before he left for his former home in China.
Is he back?

My view of anthrax attack

On Sept. 18, taking advantage of 911 WTC bombing, perpetrator mailed letters to NBC news. The anthrax inside was brown granular which might mean perpetrator intending at first not to kill but to intimidate.
Perhaps disappointed with little reaction, they did it again(on Oct. 8), this time with a military grade anthrax. The letter to Senator Daschle and Leahy contained fine, white powder which mixed with a material designed to kill. And a man, Bob Stevens, died of anthrax on Oct. 5. His death caused fear of bio-chem attack nation wide. Anthrax crisis reached its peak on about Oct. 20, then faded away. During the period, it created a situation of bio-attack horror, put a pressure on legislation to pass through "patriot Act" to let Justice Department having more police power, push media and public to support government's war policy and also gave an excuse for government to extend war to Iraq. (The "Patriot Act" was proposed on Sept. 24 and passed in legislature on Oct.24. US started war in Afghan on Oct. 7)

Rosenberg, a biologist, has testified on biological weapons before Congress, has recently published a paper contending that a government insider; or someone in contact with an insider, is behind the lethal attacks." (Excerpt from: San Jose Mercury News, page 9A,Dec. 2,2001. Topic:'Inside job probed in anthrax attack') One official (law enforcement agency) called Rosenberg theory " the most likely hypothesis".

I believe the anthrax attack was done by Federal law enforcement agency. They have motives and resources.
They are the one to be benefitted by the attack. They expanded their power by creating public's fear. They intimidated the media and legislation which are the check and balance to their power. They have the authority to access the secret lab under the name of 'security'. (like the case of Wen Ho Lee.)

And
1. The first victim is an editor of tabloid, a dislike of powerful US celebrities. His wife was the manager of apartments which had been rented to some 911 terrorists. He was possibly under FBI's surveillance. (consider thousand of aliens who even had no relationship to terrorist were detained by FBI)

2. Government released information that Atta visited crop duster aircraft. Hinted Al-quada relating to bio warfare. Matching perpetrators' intention to owe it to 911 terrorists.

3. Government released conflict information. Such like at first they said the material mixed in anthrax was bentonite, purposely to target at Iraq. Then admitted the material was silica, not used by Iraq, but US. It may proved that the perpetrators are not expert, only know little about the anthrax they were using and gave a wrong information when they making use of it.

4. At the same time, government released information that Atta made contact to Iraq diplomat. It matched the theory of bentonite, made Iraq a big suspect.

Most of these information can be only released by intelligence.

5. . Though government said first that there were 30 to 40 places had access to the anthrax and much more people could produce it by cheap equipment, it's only an excuse that they are unwill to find real criminal. The anthrax in Senator's letter is military grade. A fruit of years' research and experiment. And even in US there maybe only one secret lab carrying it. And access to it must be very strict.

6. US rejected a UN resolution condemning the anthrax attack. For what reason they did so if it's done by OBL, Al-quada, or domestic perpetrators? Unless it's done by they themselves.

7. My personal experience told it was a practice of Federal law enforcement agency. From their swift response to my comments. And I think they originally only planned one death(Bob Stevens) to raise the public attention and fear. The later four deaths were cover up to the comment " Least casualties to raise public's scare".

This elected government administration tries to hide something from people. They started a war but failed to give evidence, said that was for safety of informant. Then they want a military tribunal, what secret do they want to keep even they win a war? On Dec. 10, newspaper reported that Russian scientists had helped OBL to produce anthrax. Workshop was bombed away in war, but unknown quantity of anthrax might have been in abroad already. There was no detail, obviously let out by military or intelligence. An attemption to owe anthrax attack to terrorist when they failed to find a scapegoat of lone wolf? Perhaps that's why they limited media's report in Afghan war, and want a secret court. When US is the strongest power in the world, why there are so many things to be hided? If we have reason believe those who being sent to court are guilty, a military court only covers up corrupt government and criminal activities of it's official.

We here at FunTrivia have a high tolerance for paranoia, but you are pushing the limit Kathaksung. There should be some competent psychotherapists in San Jose that you could see for help.

I put my opinion on facts. Nobody have an explanation but cried 'paranoid'. Is that the way to discuss? Otherwise it's too easy to do in a debate. Once you can't answer the question, cried 'you are paranoid'. That's it.

A debate, Mr. Sung, requires a predisposition towards considering outside viewpoints, as well as an intelligent view of facts. Unfortunately, you display neither, and have no place asking for discussion where you tolerate none. I've been following your 'expository' diaries and editorial pieces on the net for many months now and on any number of message boards, and can only say that it has been entertaining. Not enlightening. Just entertaining. Your facts are consistently non-sequiturs, your demonstrations are exclusively unverifiable, and your logic invariably displays the fallacy of arguing from conclusion.

If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, I might recommend either reading Aristotle through Rabelais before annoying any more innocent intelligent folks with your intrusive and ignorant rantings, or just doing us the favor of donating your computer to a kindergarten class, where it will be put to more useful purposes.

Untitled.
Enough is enough.

Again, you put so many adjectives in your vague accusation. None of them based on any fact. Could you kindly specify which and how is "consistently non-sequiturs', 'exclusively unverifiable', 'fallacy of arguing from conclusion.'?

Otherwise, with your tactic, may I call you a malicious hypocrite whom was paid to defame?

Quote, "The Pentagon is developing plans to provide news items, possibly even false ones, to foreign media organizations as part of a new effort to influence public sentiment and policy-makers in both friendly and unfriendly countries, military officials said." (San Jose Mercury news. 2/19/2002. "Pentagon gears up for information war")

The point is 'false ones'. It need not a large resource to provide 'true ones'. And refer " to influence public sentiment and policy-makers in both friendly and unfriendly countries", do public sentiment and policy-makers of US exempt from it? Or already have bee.

Is anthrax attack part of this operation?

Well, from what I just heard over the weekend...AND...a lot of what hasn't been heard in the US media the last while on this subject, I might just think that there's some "meat on dem dar bones", kathaksung?

What did you hear of exactly? Don't act like a secret agent, or informant?

Quote," The FBI Special Support Group , or SSG (They're nicknamed G's), supposedly does much of the routine work for the Bureau, leaving the FBI agents themselves free to pursue more important matters. ...

They usually work part-time, and earn about $5,000.00 - $10,000.00 per year or more. The FBI doesn't advertise the existence of the SSG, but it's no big secret either. The reality of the Special Support Group is much different than the "released" information. SSG teams regularly harrass and even menace people on the FBI's Black List. ...

The FBI calls this harrassment "dangling," and they do it on a regular basis to people who frequently have committed no offense other than to have drawn the ire of the Bureau. Many SSG's are of the lowest caliber of human life, especially those chosen for excessive harrassment of innocent citizens. Far too often SSG teams consist of bullies, perverts, racists and ex-convicts and other dregs whose sole purpose is to drive people crazy and ruin their lives. If one of their victims snaps and tears one of them up, the bloodied G will press charges, perjure himself if confronted with his FBI affiliation, and the victim is locked up. Mission accomplished. That's one reason why the FBI is not very open about the SSG. This is just one of the many questionable and outright illegal activities that the FBI uses our tax dollars for. The very people sworn to uphold our Civil Rights are perhaps the most flagrant violators. If you attend a protest rally, or otherwise call attention to yourself, don't be surprised if you start seeing the same bizarre group of people showing up everywhere you go, bothering you and behaving like psychotic clowns."

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/tradecencrimes/page447.html