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#94539 - Fri Feb 01 2002 11:14 AM The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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According to State Farm Insurance Company, the top 10 most dangerous traffic intersections in the United States are:

10. Sacramento, California. Fair Oaks Boulevard and Howe Avenue.
9. Metairie, Lousiana. Clearview Parkway and Veterans Memorial Boulevard.
8. Plano, Texas. State Highway 121 and Preston Road.
7. Phoenix, Arizona. 19th Avenue and Northern Avenue.
6. Tulsa, Oklahoma. 71st Street and Memorial Drive.
5. Tulsa, Oklahoma. 51st Street and Memorial Drive.
4. Phoenix, Arizona. 7th Street and Bell Road.
3. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Grand Avenue and Roosevelt Boulevard.
2. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Red Lion Road and Roosevelt Boulevard.
1. Pembroke Pines, Florida. Flamingo Road and Pines Boulevard.

The photo accompanying the Pembroke Pines intersection shows what appears to be a 5-way intersection with clear views all around. http://www.statefarm.com

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#94540 - Fri Feb 01 2002 08:49 PM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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Is that in order of danger? You just got my home town! I agree! It's on the top of the list! Yikes!
But they haven't seen the Circester one that's going around the net that has this quadrupled roundabout...anyone seen that yet? It's from the UK and I've never seen a more complicated roundabout.

In Philly when I lived there for six years, the most accidents they cited were hitting deer in the suburbs. It was very common for them to just jump out and with the snow you didn't stand a chance.

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#94541 - Sat Feb 02 2002 09:40 AM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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Yes, Bruyere, the top ten was a countdown to number 1, the most dangerous intersection in the U.S. according to State Farm. I had forgotten to ask if anyone had driven through these intersections and to comment on how dangerous y'all thought they were.
I got a newsletter from my insurance company (you guessed it, State Farm) that stated that they would donate $5 million of the policy-holders hard earned dollars for a study of bad intersections and pay for upgrades to those intersections which cause the most injury to State Farm's bottom line. This company insures one out of four motorists in the U.S. and Canada.
San Antonio, Texas also has a relatively high ratio of motorist-to-deer encounters. In Wyoming, it's cattle and elk that don't mix with cars.

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#94542 - Sat Feb 02 2002 08:53 PM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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Hi Fjohn. I lived in Montana and we were breaking in our Trooper that we'd just bought in 86. What got me was that black ice underneath the snow. It doesn't matter what you're driving.
We did drive up to a club with some friends in a real life Cowboy bar with most of the patrons coming from the native populations around there. And on the way back a terrible accident happened and we stopped to help. Booze seems to be the major cause, not elks. Though the driver might have thought he'd seen one!
France has made great progress here by making roundabouts and they are not the free for alls they used to be. But you have to know how to do it.
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#94543 - Sun Feb 03 2002 03:02 PM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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Wow,, Bruyere,, is there any place you have not lived? What an exciting life you have lived. I ain't hardly been out of Oklahoma, but I see two Tulsa intersections made the list. Don't know if I ought to be proud or ashamed. And Plano TX,, got a cousin down there, Must be the jack rabbits.
Now 71st and Memorial is the heart of traffic at woodland hills. I really don't know why it would be considered to be so bad tho. Plenty wide, good traffic lights,, I never had a problem as long as I have my shot gun hanging out the back window. LOL. No,,it is busy, but nothing really unusually about it that would make it any more dangerous than any other in any other busy city. I guess these are rated by the number of accidents. And the 51st and Memorial, hey that is wee up by the cemetery, and not nearly as much traffic as other busy intersection in any other town. I am surprised these intersections made the top ten list. I wonder if these folks that selected these intersections ever drove in Dallas TX in rush hour.
Actually if I had to pick a place of danger in Tulsa, it would be Mingo valley express way, AKA 169, where several cars were clocked at over a hundred, in a recent traffic survey. The survey did not say if they we going or coming,, might make a difference tho.

I do fondly remember a trip with my dad, who only drove in the country, and 45 was his top speed. When we entered the traffic in the express ways of Tulsa, I explained to him we had to keep up with traffic, and he seemed to understand tho he was a hanging on for the 25 mile trip through town to the bank and back. As we neared the edge of town on our way out, he remarked he would be glad when we got out of town so we could slow down.

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#94544 - Sun Feb 03 2002 10:24 PM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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Well Jax, I've lived the life of Forrest Gump in many ways, and I'm pretty much the same!
You know the Place de L'Etoile in Paris near the Eiffel Tower and the Arc de Triomphe? It's like a major intersection and I'm writing up a description in my book Cause if you don't have the brass you know what the monkey has in the popular expression you won't survive, it's like a fish going upstream, there aren't any lanes or anything so you just let the force go with you, you get in there and it goes round and round and you try to figure out your exit and if you miss it the first time you go around again.
It's like the roller rink!
I would discourage most Americans from trying to drive in Paris.
So the only people who dare take that roundabout thing are those who know what they're doing.

I drove in America for 23 years (with a stint in France) without a scratch, and that was with every kind of car, pickup truck or van imaginable with passengers in the back who were yelling and making a fuss, siblings, towing someone's vehicle and even a trailer, and had my first accident in a calm Indiana town with a young lady who'd been driving for about three years and a hotel van.
It had nothing to do with the dangerous roads!
It all boiled down to a teeny error in judgment of defensive driving and miscalculating the other woman's actions.
If I can give anyone advice, statistics show clearly that more stupid accidents occur about 2 miles from home or even closer so put that darn seat belt on before the key in the ignition. One of my friends just told me he had had the flu, gone to work anyhow, was leaving the industrial park where he worked in the rain and hadn't gotten his seat belt on yet, as he waited a block or so normally, bang he runs into a truck and the airbag saved his life!
First accident, car totalled and he's ok. But your guard is always down in the safety zone around your home.

A commercial for safety in France has this lady going out to pick up a video, and she says, "I'm not putting on that damn belt." and bingo. She's out of the picture.
This sounds so stupid but it's not.

Fjohn will have statistics for this I'm sure. Perhaps the mileage I'm citing is different this is the French equivalent.

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#94545 - Mon Feb 04 2002 11:05 AM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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The only roundabout that I have ever seen is in a shopping center in Loveland, Colorado, a factory-outlet center. These are not inherently anymore dangerous than four or five-way intesections, but just one idiot can cause a lot of problems.
I remember driving in Japan back in the 60's one dark night when I was the idiot. We had left a friend's home about midnight when I mindlessly drove on the American side of the road. It was a near head-on disaster before I corrected and drove on the LEFT side of the road.
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#94546 - Mon Feb 04 2002 05:52 PM Re: The 10 most dangerous intersections in the U.S.
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Talking about a round a bout,, We got us one of them in Tulse town too.. Tho we call it a traffic circle. The traffic pattern has changed on it about a dozen times, with numerous wrecks on a regular basis. There was much talk about taking it out and replacing it with regular 4 way intersection. But I guess the last pattern has proven to be the correct one, and we would lose a little novelty if we did away with it.

Talking about drivers,, and this it just a fact. Young women are the worst drivers in this part of the country. It did not used to be that way,, not sure what has happened. Has anyone else seen this trend?

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