#94597 - Fri Feb 22 2002 03:38 AM
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Just caught that on CNN. >*Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped last month in Pakistan, has been killed by his abductors. Officials said Thursday they had "indisputable" confirmation of Pearl's death in the form of a videotape. Pakistani sources said that the tape shows The Wall Street Journal reporter alive and speaking and then being killed as his throat is cut.* I don't think I can even talk about this. This is one f****d up world.
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#94598 - Fri Feb 22 2002 04:44 AM
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It's truly sad that the fellow dedicated his whole life to showing the various sides of the story, he didn't seem like one of the sensationalist type journalists. (I'm sorry but I found that sending woman reporters into the thick of things there in light of the troubles and the culture was not very sensitive and almost egotistical of women on assignment there).
He didn't even seem to be a glory seeker from what I've read.
His wife is a reporter herself and I suppose her only comfort was he did what they both believed in.
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#94599 - Fri Feb 22 2002 09:10 AM
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If I was to say what I felt about these cowardly murdering B******ds, I would probably be banned from these boards for good. NUFF SAID.
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#94600 - Fri Feb 22 2002 09:31 AM
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I think we all know what you mean, Sparky ... and I for one feel the same.
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#94601 - Fri Feb 22 2002 09:58 AM
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Well, forget about bringing these people to justice...I hope someone just blows their f*****g heads off! And that's too good for them. I'm SICK of the bullsh*t!
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#94602 - Fri Feb 22 2002 10:13 AM
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Normally, Aries, I would say to calm down a tad, but your outbursts are totally understandable and I am behind you 100%.
It's just a pity we can't make the murderers suffer in the same way that this poor guy did. The sheer terror he must have felt just prior to his execution makes me feel sick to think about it.
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#94603 - Fri Feb 22 2002 10:19 AM
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I don't give two hoots about the women reporters, or whether he was a glory seeker or not...and I do not believe she is all that comforted by the fact that he did what they both believed in. We just saw her making a plea for his safe return. And isn't she pregnant? It's not too often I get wrapped up in this kind of crap, but this one really bothers me. I'm mad and clearly sick of the world. And for a little while I hope to h*ll I don't hear God's roll in this or about his intentions or how he works in mysterious ways or WHATEVER! Not right now anyway.
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#94604 - Fri Feb 22 2002 10:23 AM
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Sparky2512....Yes, his terror....I am sorry for going off like this. I do not believe in, a life for a life, and like I said, I'm usually pretty cool about most things because it is part of life and it does happen and always will. BUT..Can you imagine his wife watching the tape??!!??? Does anyone feel like choking someone??? Boy, I do! [ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: Aries ]
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#94605 - Fri Feb 22 2002 01:36 PM
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There was talk today of should a gov't pay ransom. I do not think they should. Gee...sticking my neck out here.I think it would already be understood by those who know me, my disgust and sadness at this turn of events. And, as Aires said, "part of life, and these things happen" just doesn't cut it with this one! I'm not sure there's anything that can prevent this type of horrific crime, though. Ransom money would escalate this type of event, I fear. All we can hope for now is that Musharif and his ilk swiftly find and deal with the perpetrators....in a public, damning way. I'm so sorry. 
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#94606 - Fri Feb 22 2002 03:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by lefois:
There was talk today of should a gov't pay ransom.I do not think they should. Gee...sticking my neck out here.I think it would already be understood by those who know me, my disgust and sadness at this turn of events. And, as Aires said, "part of life, and these things happen" just doesn't cut it with this one! I'm not sure there's anything that can prevent this type of horrific crime, though. Ransom money would escalate this type of event, I fear. All we can hope for now is that Musharif and his ilk swiftly find and deal with the perpetrators....in a public, damning way. I'm so sorry.
*sigh* Yes, I agree with your view on the ransom thing. At first I thought - GO FOR IT! But ofcourse that could make things worse, if that's at all possible. But, as for "part of life, and these things happen" just doesn't cut it with this one - well yes it does because that's exactly the way it is. It IS part of life and it DOES happen. I'm not just talking about this...I'm talking about every horrid story I hear, see and read. From murders, child abuse to rapes, animal abuse and crimes against the elderly. Everything. This just made me angry for everything! It's everywhere and getting worse. When someone says to me - "Did ya hear...?" I go - "Yeah, yeah..what else is new?" It comes across as being cold, but the truth is...it hurts to hear so much bad news and I can't stand hearing it anymore. "Yeah, yeah...what else is new"? I seem to be saying that all too often now.
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#94607 - Fri Feb 22 2002 05:55 PM
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Oh, Aires... Ya know...you said a lot of what I was trying NOT to say in my post. It's true. I also have a resignation. I've tried to tell myself for years that nothing is any different than any other decade or century or milennium....that people are people....All these horrid things have always happened....just that in MY time, folks talk about it more...out in the open...and 24 hours a day...and instantaneously...so it SEEMS more awful. I'm sure there were just as many murders, rapes, incestuous incidences, clerical indiscretions (gawd, we haven't gone THERE, yet!), murders, "closet" type issues...geez...............history speaks for itself..but it's usually HISTORY! The big change in the last decade or so is that everyone talks about everything...anytime of day...day or night....right out loud! Maybe........... 
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#94608 - Sat Feb 23 2002 12:00 AM
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What I meant, and as his wife is French, we've seen more of her on television than you have in other countries, is that she married him knowing what his job was, what his vocation was, and she also exercised the same job. That she didn't just marry a guy who then got the call to do something dangerous, she married him knowing him and that his only religion was the truth. Reporters aren't forced to accept those assignments, they go into those places because either they are glory seekers for a scoop, or their mission in life is seeking out the truth and showing us. I don't mean to detract from the horror of it all, but just that we fail to recognize that people choose this life and work.
Sometimes people who go to do work in countries like that fail to weigh the risks. What I meant about the women reporters was that don't they realize that just being a woman in that situation is asking for trouble? It puts others in enormous risk. The British woman etc.
Westerners in general who go there don't realize they also may create an international incident.
I think his motivations were good, but he did choose to go in, he was not forced to accept an assignement.
The only justice I believe in is karma for his murderers.
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#94609 - Sat Feb 23 2002 12:43 AM
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You're absolutely right ofcourse, Bruyere with all of that. I should have said, I wasn't thinking about any of that this time. I usually knit-pick and tear apart the whys and where's and the maybies and the what ifs. I didn't do that this time cause I don't care about the details...it's cut and dry. And...it's done isn't it and all my griping(sp) isn't going to change it. [ 02-23-2002: Message edited by: Aries ]
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#94610 - Sat Feb 23 2002 03:05 AM
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Sometimes my only consolation is my firm belief in what comes around goes around, karma, kismet or what have you. Don't apologize for your natural, human, knee jerk reaction, I have them all the time. The first time I ever wrote to this forum was during the McVeigh trial. And last night after a serial killer was put into life confinement here in France after killing about six women, admitting it, I just said, "give him an instrument to take away his own life. " It just popped out, though I'm not in favor of the death penalty in principle. I just feel he'd lived out his usefulness in this world. And that he should either be subjected to the law of the jungle he applied to others, or else take his own life. I find your reaction normal under the circumstances.
MY only comfort is the notion of karma.
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