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#95636 - Sun Feb 06 2000 10:31 PM Drinking Beer in Australia
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"A bucket a bitter thanks mate!"

There are many facets that the modern ale connoisseur must consider when enjoying beer. One perplexing aspect of beer drinking is the number of different receptacles that beer can come in.

When moving around Australia it can become quite confusing as to how to get the size of beer you want. Ordering a pot of beer in one state can mean a totally different thing in another. Thus it is wise to take note of the state you are drinking in and study the terminology.

For example, if a bloke is behind the bar you order a beer in Queensland if you are buying for yourself as follows:

Barman: Mate, are you right?
Queenslander: Pot a XXXX thanks mate
Barman (after getting money): Thanks mate
Queenslander (after getting beer): Thanks mate

or alternatively, if you are shouting:

Queenslander: G'day mate, a jug a XXXX thanks
Barman (after getting money): Thanks mate
Queenslander (after getting beer): Thanks mate

Note that all words are typically slurred together regardless of whether or not you are sober. Note also, that if you were lucky enough to be served by a barmaid, then you would typically, but not necessarily, drop the use of the word mate. If are really on the ball, you will observe the placement of mate at the end of the sentence in the first order but not in the second order (due to the use in G'day mate). Further, G'day mate is not used in the first order as the Barman enquired as to whether or not the Queenslander was 'right'. That's just the way it is.

However, this same ritual observed in New South Wales would result in a very dry evening. Observe:

Barman: Mate, are you right?
Queenslander: Pot a XXXX thanks mate
Barman (looking confused?): Sorry?
Queenslander (thinking very hard & speaking slowly): Sorry, a schooner a New thanks
Barman: Are you from Queensland are you?
Barman (after receipt of money): Cheers
Queenslander (after receipt of beer & trying to fit in linguistically): Cheers

However, this won't get you very far if you wander up and west a little to the famous Northern Territory (which has the highest per capita beer consumption in the world). How would you cope, for example, if you heard this little exchange?

Barman: Mate, are you right?
NT'er: Green can thanks bloke
Barman (after receipt of money): Thanks bloke
NT'er: Thanks bloke

You see, in order to speed up and simplify the process of ordering the nectar of the gods, the NT'ers have invented their own little code for fast and accurate delivery. It is based on the colours of the desired beer can (or tinnie):

can (or tinnie):

Code & Translations
Red Can: Can of Melbourne Bitter
Green Can: Can of Victoria Bitter
Blue Can: Can of Fosters
White Can: Can of Swan Light
Yellow Can: Can of Fourex

You will also note the use of 'bloke' instead of mate. This is, as far as we know, unique to the Territory. Bloke is used by Aussies all over Australia, but normally used in the same way as the american guy eg He's a good bloke; It's a bloke thing. Anyway, you now know the lingo. Give it a burl.


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#95637 - Sun Feb 06 2000 10:33 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Coopers Pale Ale: This light fresh flavoured ale is mild enough to drink on its own yet brewed with fruity undertones & bitter aftertaste to attend the dinner table. The light bitter flavour is a perfect way to add to lightly sauced seafood, fried, squid, battered fish, oysters natural, cuttlefish, scallops or octopus salad.

Hahn Premium is one of Australia's most exciting beers.

Tooheys New Draught is a full strength beer that is typical of the the main stream popular lagers available in Australia. The beer available on-tap in NSW & Victoria travels well in the bottle to produce a nice full aromatic head to begin well. Tooheys New is lightly hopped together with a balanced malt recipe resulting in a great dichotomy between bitter taste & sweet flavour.


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#95638 - Sun Feb 06 2000 11:49 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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yep, spot on mate

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#95639 - Mon Feb 07 2000 12:14 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Thanks for the tips. Now I'm all set if I ever get to Australia and find that I'm in the mood for a beer. Cheers, mate (or is that bloke?)... hmmm, maybe I need to practice this a bit.

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#95640 - Mon Feb 07 2000 03:56 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Astrix, have a Foster's on me, mate.

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#95641 - Mon Feb 07 2000 05:11 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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JoJo2: Linguistically speaking, this post is the best international post that I've seen. It should be sub-titled: "How to get along Down Under."
I only regret that I didn't have a chance to take my R&R in Australia when I was in Viet Nam in 1967 - 1968. There was a six month waiting list, so I had to go to Hawaii instead!
Australia was, rightfully, a prime relaxation destination for American GI's.

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#95642 - Mon Feb 07 2000 06:36 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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fjohn, thank you for that wonderful compliment. I really do appreciate it as I do all of our members from all over the world. Where do live now, fjohn?

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#95643 - Mon Feb 07 2000 06:54 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Mateship as part of the Australian Language
Australian love their mates. Or do they? There is no doubt that linguistically, the word mate is strongly entrenched in the Australian Language, more so than in any English variant in the world. Although many Australians, and indeed Americans, would not know it, mate is used and has been used for centuries in working class English english. As with other working class English traits, what makes their mate usage distinctly Australian is the fact that it is used unequivocally by all layers of society. From brickies to pollies, every dinkum Australian male uses the word mate every day of their life.

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#95644 - Mon Feb 07 2000 06:56 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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The greatest pleasure I have ever known is when my eyes meet the eyes of a mate over the top of two foaming glasses of beer.
- Henry Lawson, Australian Legend, Early 20th Century

We value excellence as well as fairness, independence as dearly as mateship.
- Draft Constitutional Preamble, John Howard, Prime Minister of Australia, 1999

It would take an awful lot of courage to jump on the back of a crocodile, but I suppose that's what you do for a mate.
- Thursday Island Police Sergeant Graham Burridge, The Courier Mail, August 20, 1999.


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#95645 - Tue Feb 08 2000 03:01 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Shelia is an old Australian word for woman.
A quick word of advice: unless you are an Australian male aged 70 or above, it would be very difficult to use this word in a shelia's presence without causing offence. While it was just a word a generation or so ago, it is generally considered sexist. Alas.

Now that I have said that, on to the important matters THE BATHROOMS!!!

Men's Bathroom sign will say: Blokes Dunny

Women's Bathroom sign will say: Shelia's Dunny


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#95646 - Wed Feb 09 2000 11:32 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Reply to JoJo2: I live in Wyoming now, probably my last move (like I say every ten years or so). Everyone from "back East" knows that Wyoming is "out west, somewhere." Yes, we still have working cowboys, open range land, a Republican governor, pick-up trucks with rifle racks, an abundance of antelope and miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles. One can breathe the air; even smile at your neighbor, wave to a stranger and not be regarded as retarded.
The capitol, Cheyenne, boasts of 50,000 people; our small town has maybe 3,200 souls; the whole state has fewer than 500,000 human inhabitants, and we generally like it that way unless one is talking about needing more growth to support the state economy. We drink black coffee by the bucket and wear bluejeans and boots every day of our lives. One can drive our highways at 75 mph and not see another car or truck for twenty minutes, nor any sign of human habitation or even a tree for long stretches.
I can imagine that Australia is similar in many areas. We just can't see the Southern Cross.
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#95647 - Thu Feb 10 2000 04:03 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Thank you Fjohn, that makes me want to pack up my bags and move there. Your description helped to visualize your beautiful state. When I worked in the casinos, I knew a couple who owned a golf course in Casper and they were such a lovely couple. I can't think of their names right of the back but it will come to me. I will look up some neat facts about Wyoming and start a new thread in a day or two, maybe you can help me by adding to the list or you could start the thread and I could add to your list. Thank you for the breath of fresh air.

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#95648 - Fri Feb 11 2000 09:53 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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This is really neat Jo, thanks!! I will now know how to ask for a beer if and when I ever go to AU.

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#95649 - Fri Feb 11 2000 10:57 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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And you will know how to find the bathrooms as well... very important thing to know if you are going to be sucking the suds at the tavern!!

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#95650 - Fri Feb 11 2000 11:13 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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oi!
they're called dunnies

fjohn, I can remember the late 60s with all the US ships coming to Sydney for R&R, a good time was had by all, they were incredibly popular with the ladies!


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#95651 - Sun Mar 05 2000 10:06 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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I'm just kicking it up a notch for quintrex to read. Bamm!

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#95652 - Wed Mar 08 2000 06:54 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Thumbs up JoJo!

I found your post when saying a big "g'day" to quintrex in the front bar!

BTW, here are a few more twist tops on how to order a beer in the Land Down Under.

Now, in New South Wales (my State) (oh, and a suburb called Wyoming is only 10 minutes from home here on the Central Coast ) ... getting back to the beer ordering, if you order a schooner in NSW, don't expect a Queenslander or a Victorian to understand you .. they only have "pots" which is the equivalent of a middie in NSW ...

So, there you go mate, have to get your terminology right even in each State! (No matter what state you may be in ... hic!) I'd like a bottle of Hahn Ice please .. thanks mate .. no thanks, I don't need a glass, afterall, good things come in glass, don't they? Thanks mate, that's fine. Cheers!

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#95653 - Wed Mar 08 2000 09:58 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Hello my friend Dreamweave!! So good to see you here!! Thank you so much for the additional information. Now I am starting to think that drinking beer around the world is not only fun... it's an adventure!!

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#95654 - Wed Mar 08 2000 06:22 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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WOW JoJo you have certainly been doing some research. Have you been here before?

Fjohn, Wyoming sounds a lot like Australia. Our population is predominatley around the coast line especcially here on the east coast. There is practically nothing in the centre except desert, a few little isolated towns each with a pub of course. You can drive for hours and not see anything.

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#95655 - Sat Mar 11 2000 11:17 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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This you are going to love, that is, if you really want some background on beer drinking in Australia!

quote:

A Pub Shout
You need not raise your voice to shout in an Aussie Pub, only your money. To be in a 'shout', you have been lucky enough, or perhaps unlucky enough, to be included in the custom of drinking in groups, where each person takes a turn in buying the group a 'shout' of beer.
If you are drinking with 7 or 8 'blokes' or 'sheilas', and the 'shout' goes a second round, you may have to pull out or fall over before it's your buy. You will then be called a 'bludger' and perhaps end up in a pub 'brawl'.

To earn respect, try and use the correct terminology when ordering a beer. The emphasis is on 'try', as this is harder than learning Japanese and goes something like this:-

The smallest beer you can order is a 'Pony' or '5' meaning 5 ounce or 140 ml. Order this and you may be asked to 'ride a real horse, you sissy!'. A real horse is usually a 10 ounce or 285 ml beer. In New South Wales it's called a 'Middy', because bigger ones are called 'Schooners' (15 ounce or 425 ml).

In South Australia a 'Schooner' is the same size as a 'Middy' with a 7 ounce or 200 ml beer called a 'Butcher' (it's all a butcher has time for during a 'smoko' or break without risking cutting his fingers off- true story that). South Australian's call a 15 ounce or 425 ml beer a 'Pint'. This confuses the English, because it's only 75% of their pint or 'Real Pint'. No…you're not getting done, it's just how we do things this side of the pond.

In Queensland and Victoria a 10 ounce is a 'Pot' and a 7 ounce a 'Beer' or 'Glass'.

Some states use numbers to order beers. In Tasmania, it's '6', '8', 'l0' or '20' for 6, 8, 10 ounce or a "real pint". Towns close to borders, such as Broken Hill, get so confused by different terms, that they sometimes also use the number system. But just to confuse everybody even more, the number system on the mainland is different, being '5', '7', '10'or'15'.

A "handle" is a 10 ounce glass with a handle (logically).

If in confusion, you simply ask for a beer, do bear in mind you will get a "7" in Victoria and Queensland, a "l5" in New South Wales and a "10" everywhere else.

A 375 ml can of beer is called a 'tinny' (also logical), while the bottle of the same size is a 'stubbie' (not to be confused with a brand of shorts). A 750 ml bottle is a "long neck" and in the Northern Territory there is a 'Darwin Stubbie', which is a massive 1.25 litre bottle. You become an instant legend if you skull a Darwin Stubbie (then you fall over…then you get messy)

To top it all off, the Northern Territorians order beer by colour. At this point, we will leave it to you to work out the difference between a red, blue, white, green and yellow can.


(from http://www.nomads-backpackers.com/Info/ozinfo.html)
Enjoy your research!

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#95656 - Sun Mar 12 2000 10:42 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Hi minime, I have never been to Australia, but after meeting so many people from around the world here at FunTrivia I have found it totally fasinating all the the different customs and traditions. So now I find myself doing research and enjoying the fact that I am gaining some knowledge about other parts of the world then where I am living.

Dreamweave, what cool info!! I want to be an instant legend and skull a Darwin Stubbie!


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#95657 - Sun Mar 12 2000 11:54 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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Give me a 'crown lager' mate!!!!!!
here is a tip from a experinced aussie who has drunk here fair shair of beer. It must be a crown lager or it just is not beer. trust me. it is the creame de la beer

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#95658 - Sun Mar 12 2000 03:16 PM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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'The creame de la beer' I love it amlet! I have to remember that one when drinking a great tasting beer. Thanks mate.

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#95659 - Tue May 30 2000 02:53 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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I had to bring this one up for reference.

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#95660 - Tue May 30 2000 07:57 AM Re: Drinking Beer in Australia
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In America we have a lot of commercials advertising "Foster's" as real Austrailian beer. However I have been told (by an Austrailian) never to order it.

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