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#1122866 - Fri Jan 15 2016 11:11 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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She has several published books and apparently is a reasonably high-profile political commentator. You don't have to like someone to accept them as being well known and someone who can be recognised by players.
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#1123000 - Sun Jan 17 2016 09:42 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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English sugar merchant; founder of London's Tate Gallery
Your answer: Sir Henry Tate
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#1123075 - Sun Jan 17 2016 05:39 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
You don't have to like someone to accept them as being well known and someone who can be recognised by players.

That's why I'm not raising issue with numerous other people I've seen in the database, thanks.

But that belittling reply makes me curious as to what your standard is for recognition. Writing "several books" and being "a reasonably high-profile commentator" makes you an internationally-reknown figure? Really?


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#1123087 - Mon Jan 18 2016 12:21 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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I don't actually add people (I have never worked out how to do it), I abide by past decisions unless there is a clear reason for deleting the person. I had never heard of the person in question, but well over half the players in the game have correctly matched her with the description, so she appears indeed to be well enough known for the game. There are plenty of people with whom I am personally familiar whose percentage correct is much lower, and a truckload of others who I only know from seeing them in Who Am I, but who are clearly familiar to many people out there.

And I am sorry if you felt my earlier reply was belittling - that was not my intention.
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#1123108 - Mon Jan 18 2016 05:32 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Emile Baudot

Your answer: French telegraph engineer; inventor; devised the Baudot code
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#1123295 - Wed Jan 20 2016 06:28 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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George Cadbury

Your answer: English founder of 'Cadbury's Chocolates'
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#1123687 - Fri Jan 22 2016 04:58 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Jason Connery's description includes 'son of Sean Connery'.
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#1123849 - Sat Jan 23 2016 03:23 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Fictional character; rodent in 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' by Lewis Carroll

Your answer: Dormouse

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#1123976 - Mon Jan 25 2016 08:03 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Dutch astronomer; radio astronomy pioneer; known for the Oort cloud

Your answer: Jan Oort


Dutch Queen regnant from 1890 to 1948

Your answer: Wilhelmina of the Netherlands


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#1124002 - Mon Jan 25 2016 01:29 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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All those kings and queens are going to take some careful thought as I find them - so many of them have the same first name (although Wilhelmina not so much as Louis or William/Wilhelm) that it is not fair to just give a royal title. In this case, I might leave it since players need to connect Netherlands and Dutch - that is not actually straightforward for a lot of people!
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#1124022 - Mon Jan 25 2016 04:08 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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American Olympic champion swimmer; 8 gold medals in 2008, 16 medals total

Your answer: Michael F. Phelps


He's now up to 22 medals, and he'll probably add more in Rio this summer. Probably best to remove the ending until he actually retires?

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#1124142 - Tue Jan 26 2016 07:23 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Jane McGrath

Your answer: British-born Australian cancer support activist; wife of Glenn McGrath

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#1124441 - Fri Jan 29 2016 12:09 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Fictional character; cowboy probably created by Edward O'Reilly

Your answer: Pecos Bill
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#1124667 - Sun Jan 31 2016 12:37 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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American newspaperman; entrepreneur; explorer; founder - Boy Scouts of America; initials are WDB

William D.Boyce
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#1125072 - Wed Feb 03 2016 02:13 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Dr. Strangelove, fictional character.
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#1125078 - Wed Feb 03 2016 03:30 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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English physicist; developed the British A-bomb; initials are WP

Your answer: William Penney

and maybe

Polish-American businessman; known for Nathan's Famous hot dogs

Your answer: Nathan Handwerker

Kinda gives it away...not sure how strict you want to be on something like that.

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#1125112 - Thu Feb 04 2016 12:21 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Nathan can stay, it's not as much of a giveaway as, say, Handwerker's Hot Dogs. Initials go - they were added at some time to make them easier, but I am happy for them to go into the harder game's sample if the description is good enough to be a unique identifier. I may modify the description to make that true.
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#1125397 - Sat Feb 06 2016 01:04 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Not an error but an inconsistency: The question for Dimitri Tiomkin includes Mstislav Rostropovich in the possible answers. Generally speaking, the sets do not include anyone of the same ethnic background or the same occupation as the correct answer (lots of politicians and actresses show up as wrong answers, of course, but not for other politicians or actresses). Tiomkin was Ukrainian if not exactly Russian like Rostropovich, but both were composers and conductors and both of the same general ethnic background.

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#1125403 - Sat Feb 06 2016 01:35 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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The algorithm Terry has set up for selection does sometimes allow matchings that look the same to you, but the actual descriptions are different enough so that there is no clash. Ukrainian is a different nationality from Russian, and would not be excluded on that basis - you may consider them the same ethnic background, but they are not described in the same way. You regularly see multiple actors/actresses of different nationalities in the same group.

Diomitri Tiomkin is described as "Ukranian-American film score composer; conductor; 'The High and the Mighty' & 'High Noon'".

Mstislav Rostropovich is described as "internationally acclaimed Russian cellist; awarded 1950 Stalin Prize for the Arts at age 23".

I don't know how the algorithm operates, but there is nothing in the content of the descriptions that makes them interchangeable (unless you know more about them then is included).
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#1125478 - Sat Feb 06 2016 05:20 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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George Gallup's description includes his name.
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#1125529 - Sun Feb 07 2016 02:15 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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I couldn't think of the orchestra, but yes, Rostropovich was also a conductor in the US. From Wikipedia: "From 1977 until 1994, he was musical director and conductor of the U.S. National Symphony Orchestra in Washington..." I would never argue that any two people were interchangeable, but two Russian musicians who worked and lived in the US during the 20th century would easily be mixed up.

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#1125535 - Sun Feb 07 2016 03:33 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Ukrainian is not Russian, even if both were part of the USSR.
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#1125538 - Sun Feb 07 2016 03:48 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Ah, there's the equality, they're both ex-patriot Soviets.
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#1125623 - Sun Feb 07 2016 11:10 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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Why is it that some titles are given and used in the 'Who Am I?' game and some are not?
An example would be: Baroness or Count, both are used. Father or Senator, neither is used.

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#1125624 - Sun Feb 07 2016 11:45 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues
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That is just the whimsical way the person who set it up operated. They appear to have used only nobility titles, not other honorifics. No academic honors, either. I think in a lot of cases using the honorific would be too much of a giveaway - President Grover Cleveland, described as President of the US, or Senator Joseph McCarthy described as American Senator from Wisconsin, for example. It might be possible to rewrite the whole thing, if I actually had access to the entire database. Personally, I think the fewer titles the better, since the title often gives it away, or is in fact the only significant thing there is to say about the person. That is my problem with trying to rewrite some of the royal entries as I get them in play to remove the country name from their name - Leopold I of Belgium is obviously going to match with Belgian king, but just writing Leopold I may be considered too vague, especially for a Charles, for example.

Since I need to input the person's name in order to modify their file, I have to operate one person at a time.
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