Subject: Beefeater Complains About Bullying
Posted by: daver852
Date: Nov 03 09
Britain's first female Beefeater has complained about alleged harrassment at the hands of her male colleagues:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/02/Beefeaters-facing-bullying-allegations/UPI-10371257182699/
Posted by: daver852
Date: Nov 03 09
Britain's first female Beefeater has complained about alleged harrassment at the hands of her male colleagues:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/02/Beefeaters-facing-bullying-allegations/UPI-10371257182699/13 replies. On page 1 of 1 pages. 1
lesley153 
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Miserable, and predictable. Men have never enjoyed handing over bits of their territory to women, but they've always been quick to appropriate traditional women's activities when there's something in it for them - things like the Wise Woman/herbalist, now replaced by doctors who for many years were almost exclusively male: or midwifery which, a hundred years ago, was all but taken over by male doctors. The only way for women to keep their own territory is to pay them less than men doing the same job. Oh no - hang on - that's always happened. Daver, I'm going off on one. What's the operative word for you here - gender or bullying? Reply #1. Nov 03 09, 1:29 PM |
daver852
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Don't have an operative word. Just thought it was an interesting story. Like when the ACLU tried to make Hooters hire male waiters - uh, I mean food servers. Reply #2. Nov 03 09, 2:26 PM |
rayven80
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I've got two thoughts on this. One, she is stepping into a fraternity that has existed for several centuries so some bullying is bound to occur. I'm sure she knew it would be difficult and should have expected some bullying. Second is that it's the 21st century. Men, give it up. We can do anything that you can do. Reply #3. Nov 03 09, 2:44 PM |
mjws1968
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We are better at being sexist p*gs however. You would think that they would welcome a bit of diversity, but you have to bear in mind that most Beefeaters are long serving soldiers or members of the other armed services that received it as a reward and that the armed forces are a few generations behind the general public when it comes to attitudes towards gender, which is not excusing their behaviour, bullying is bullying and should be punished wherever it occurs, maybe they should bury a few of them in the ground and cover their heads in birdseed so the rivens come and play with their exposed heads, that would amuse the tourists. Seriously, it is a closed shop and they hate change, if you think this is bad, can you imagine the reaction when they have their first ethnic minority or homosexual Beefeater, they would be equally reactionary, so its not a surprise to anybody who knows the Tower and the people who work there. At least she has enough strength not to quit and has stuck through it all, maybe they will respect that and leave her alone. Unlikely. Reply #4. Nov 05 09, 3:04 AM |
| mjws1968
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Or even ravens lol. Reply #5. Nov 05 09, 3:06 AM |
REDVIKING57
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More PC rubbish! Did it really matter that there wasn't a female Yeoman of the Guard? Hardly one of the last bastions of male domination,is it? Let's go the whole hog - the next appointee should be an Afro-caribbean,muslim lesbian in a wheel chair - then we'd see if the ravens really can't fly! Reply #6. Nov 05 09, 6:38 AM |
jonnowales
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RV - I find myself in agreement somewhat. By the same PC reasoning, shouldn't the exclusively female colleges at Oxbridge (not as many as once were) be opened up to guys? Is it not politically correct to say only females need apply? Reply #7. Nov 05 09, 7:30 AM |
| romeomikegolf
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Paul, I see the humour in your post, being a Leicester lad myself. I think our city is one of the most multiculteral in the world. Your post may not be PC, but I think, and hope, that the bad old days have now gone. At least I hope so. To get back to the point of the post: Historically, the Beefeaters have been recruited from the British Army, not an organisation known for its tolerence. It doesn't really surprise me to hear they don't like a women in the same job.It will take a long time for those old soldiers, and others of their age group, to change their views. Reply #8. Nov 05 09, 11:19 AM |
| lesley153
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"Did it really matter?" Well, now you come to mention it - I hadn't thought that far back - I wouldn't have thought so. But wouldn't it have been rather nice if the men could have shown her the respect, courtesy and support they would have shown a man? Paul, you forgot to mention left-handed vegetarian. :p Reply #9. Nov 05 09, 11:58 AM |
supersal1
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The woman in question is also a long serving officer in HM forces. I daresay she's had to put up with a lot over the years. Their alleged actions seem really childish to me. I find it rather horrifying that a group of adult ex-officers can behave like this. I am always surprised by the sheer stupidity and arrogance involved when there's a case like this. Jonno, you're probably right about the Oxford College. If it does open its doors to men, who are then outnumbered some 30-1, then the men should be able to carry out their studies without being subject to spiteful harassment from the women. Reply #10. Nov 05 09, 12:04 PM |
TCEB
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I dislike the concept of bullying in any form. It's difficult without knowing exactly what happened in this case, but it does occur to me that in "hazing" a new recruit, they might have been treating her exactly the same way they would have treated a new man? Just a thought... Reply #11. Nov 05 09, 12:08 PM |
| lesley153
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Good point. The Wiki, BBC and Daily Mail articles all say the same as the UPI article - that "nasty notes" were left inside her locker, that her £1400 uniform was defaced, that one of the men said he was opposed to her doing the job. Nowhere does it say that the bullying was gender-related: I think we assume that it was because so much is made of the fact that she is the first woman to do the job. Nor does it say anywhere that male recruits get the same treatment. As you said, TCEB, gender-related or not - it's still bullying. Reply #12. Nov 05 09, 1:21 PM |
Cymruambyth
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Jonno, don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the women-only Oxbridge colleges are of relatively short existence (compared to the men-only colleges which date from the 13th century) and it was the fact that women were not allowed to attend the men-only colleges that prompted their founding? Rayven, women can't really do everything men can do. Urinating standing up is a problem for us. But then, they can't give birth, so we're even! Reply #13. Nov 07 09, 2:51 PM |
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