Subject: Conspiracies Y or N
Posted by: mountaingoat
Date: Nov 03 11
I believe some conspiracies and not others. It would be interesting to read others ideas too with a BRIEF reason.
1 JFK assassination.....Y. He was going to pull out of Vietnam and the MIC couldn't allow it.
2. MLK......Y. The Right wing couldn't tolerate his activism any longer.
3. 9/11......N. The US government couldn't even organise planting some nukes in Iraq after the war let alone this.
4. Climate change....N. I trust scientists. Keep em short this subject is everywhere.
5. Gulf of Tonkin......Y. Think this one is accepted fact now.
6. Elvis is not dead.....Y. He served me a pizza last week.
Posted by: mountaingoat
Date: Nov 03 11
I believe some conspiracies and not others. It would be interesting to read others ideas too with a BRIEF reason.
1 JFK assassination.....Y. He was going to pull out of Vietnam and the MIC couldn't allow it.
2. MLK......Y. The Right wing couldn't tolerate his activism any longer.
3. 9/11......N. The US government couldn't even organise planting some nukes in Iraq after the war let alone this.
4. Climate change....N. I trust scientists. Keep em short this subject is everywhere.
5. Gulf of Tonkin......Y. Think this one is accepted fact now.
6. Elvis is not dead.....Y. He served me a pizza last week.
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lesley153
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6 agree - I was standing next to you, and he gave me chips with mine, and a coffee. Reply #1. Nov 03 11, 11:42 AM |
BOB501
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Herman Cain and the sex abuse (N) his past is just catching up to him. Republicans want the US to fail (Y) They will not view anything that will help the US only their narrow interests. The Occupy Wallstreet movement is anti government (N) it is as patriotic as it can be. Protest is a part of who we are. The Supreme Court is nonpolitical (N) recent endorcements and participation by judges in political causes have shown them to be bought and paid for like most politicians. Reply #2. Nov 03 11, 12:39 PM |
romeomikegolf
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There's a man works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis. Reply #3. Nov 03 11, 1:45 PM |
satguru 
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Conspiracies are talked about as if when you go from the small scale who often get prosecuted to the large scale where governments cooperate people appear to believe the second is impossible although quite happy to recognise the Italian and all related Mafiosi exist. Now if organised criminals can and do work worldwide with branches abroad as well as at home, then why on earth are people surprised governments aren't somehow immune? Dr Harold Shipman was a lone ranger who worked alone, but as a trusted doctor was allowed to kill hundreds of people before he was even thought of as a suspect. This blindness to authority allows politicians and businesses worldwide to work together as most people expect them not to, and call anyone who sees them as fallible as everyone else, more so as they have the power they don't, mentally deranged, to doubly stop investigation. Once you find out it has happened- Watergate, Climategate, even legal but dishonest moves like Tony Blair changing the law on keeping national sport on TV after Rupert Murdoch agreed to support Labour if he did, tell anyone with eyes to see that if it happens at all, and we know about it, then the tip of the iceberg theory tells us most of the rest is hidden but just as real. If people look at the evidence, now freely available for the first time since the internet, then you will learn it is the norm and not the exception and never to question anyone who says there is unless their evidence doesn't pass the test. It's people releasing guesses before the details are known that gives conspiracies a bad name, and allow many more to get away with it as theirs aren't taken seriously. The Common Market was a deathbed admission by Edward Heath, who admitted he knew all along when he got Britain in in 1971 they planned to become federal, and got great pleasure from getting away with the lie it was only an economic trading group. That should tell you plenty already. Oddly enough I started the same thread myself on the forums years ago, must be some telepathy happening here as well. I tried to find it and got as far as it being in 2004 but may not have survived losing the forum it was in, and also saw I've been posting material on global warming here since 2003, that's longer studying than a climatologist needs! Reply #4. Nov 03 11, 3:44 PM |
great2beme
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Another reason why the JFK assassination could be a conspiracy is because of Operation North Woods which would've been an US attack on their own country but Kennedy said no to the plan. Reply #5. Nov 03 11, 4:22 PM |
| great2beme
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also known as a False-Flag Operation. Reply #6. Nov 03 11, 4:23 PM |
| honeybee4
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Here is another version of the JFK assasination straight from a site known for conspiracies. http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=15167 Reply #7. Nov 03 11, 5:15 PM |
| lesley153
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Goodness what an exciting article, Judy. And what a good line: "... found dead having allegedly shot themselves five times in the head." Reply #8. Nov 03 11, 5:26 PM |
Greatguggly
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Bob, you couldn't possibly be more wrong on some of your assertions. You're right that the Occupy Wall Street is not anti-government...it should be but those fools don't understand that. To call what those people are doing patriotic is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Reply #9. Nov 05 11, 12:07 PM |
REDVIKING57
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Absurd? I suppose that depends on your 'terms of reference'. Is your 'patriotism' embodied in a love and respect for your Flag (Country), or 'the mighty Dollar'? Or 'What's In It For Me?' Reply #10. Nov 06 11, 8:23 AM |
| satguru
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As I've said before there's nothing wrong with money and capitalism, and you can't have a free society without free trade. It's the abuse of power, legally and illegally which can never be right, but I don't think many of the protestors around the world understand the system enough and actually know what they want either so are just there because they're not happy but not quite sure why or what to do about it. Just being negative with no alternatives offered is simply being childish. I know this already has its own thread but you did raise the point here. Reply #11. Nov 06 11, 10:27 AM |
turbotude
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Re: reply #11 Satguru, I agree with every word written in this reply. Reply #12. Nov 09 11, 1:03 PM |
klinski_1987
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To quote South Park... "The town" : "Rabble, rabble rabble" Mayor: "People, people, calm down" 'The Town' : "Something needs to be done..." 'The Town' : "rabble, rabble, rabble" Mayor : "Yes, but standing there saying ' rabble, rabble, rabble' isn't going to help anything. Jimbo (i.e. 'the town') : "Yes, but we don't know what to do!" Reply #13. Nov 09 11, 3:38 PM |
sportsherald
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Regarding #4 Climate Change: I've had direct exposure to enough scientists to know that they can be trusted about as much as anyone else, maybe less on their pet topics. While peer review should be a defence, I've seen this distorted into a sham of friends reviewing friends. As for conspiracies in general, Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" comes to mind, whre individual actions of (perceived) self interest work collectively to a larger result. As my scientists like to say, correlation is not the same as causation- except when it suits their own agenda. Reply #14. Mar 04 12, 1:35 PM |
| satguru
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Good one sportsherald. The insiders know the truth, and is gradually watered down the further you get from the centre, unless someone blows the whistle. Here's a quote I was sent yesterday which pretty much covers it all, I just wish it had been recorded and signed but someone did quote it verbatim from the meeting: ------------I felt I had to share the latest relevant anecdotes. I just had some friends visiting from Germany. We have a common friend who is working as mathematician for RWE in Germany. They recently had a chat with her and here is her summary on what to do with electricity from wind farms: Pump it directly into the ground! Do NOT, at any cost, inject it into the electrical network! Electricity generated by wind is so erratic, with so many spikes and so totally unreliable that it is impossible to make use of it, without gigantic and extremely costly adjustments of the entire network, with lots of energy spike protections and backup power plants - typically on gas or coal - that have to run on idle at all times, just so they can smooth out the wind energy. It would be far cheaper to run ONLY the backup plants at full power instead! People who promote wind power clearly have no clue on how important network stability is and how hard it is to establish and maintain. The father of one of my friends used to be a manager at Siemens. Some time ago, he was called to a meeting for ex-managers, to ensure that they knew about the latest developments and would not make undesired comments to the media. Here is what they were told: "You probably followed all the developments in green power and global warming and think that it is all a load of manure, which it is. But please do not make any statements along those lines. We are now going along with these development and will make tons of money on green energy. This will be far more profitable than anything we have ever done in the past. We decided to make statements in the media to indicate our change of heart, that we would repent and no longer oppose the attempt to save the planet. That we would be part of a better future." The irony is breathtaking: when they were honest and constructive as they opposed the AGW nonsense, they were attacked for being greedy criminals. But then, they claimed to act morally and were cheered by the media for finally having left the dark side, after they decided to rip off the tax payers and sell worthless crap to their clients. ------------------------ But one thing which is clear and verifiable. Power needs to be supplied constantly. Most staff are employed to keep the supply even with the demand. If not you either have a cut or a burnout. That's with a stable permanent supply, imagine with one that's only on a fraction of the day (7% I think for Britain, pretty representative) and then wildly swinging between those periods, which taking into account all the costs involved produces less than it uses financially and power wise. Now there's a conspiracy. Reply #15. Mar 06 12, 10:42 PM |
| Sprink1234
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1. No, even though it's been analyzed to the point of ridiculous. Oswald was just smart enough to be in the right spot and a good enough aim to hit him. 2. Yes, but I don't think it was anybody more than a few hateful individuals. 3. No. At least it wasn't the U.S. government. Are you kidding? They can't even get the simplest things right. 4. No. I believe in climate change, but I don't think humans play as big a part as some want us to believe. 5. No. The King is dead. I saw his grave! Reply #16. Apr 19 12, 12:33 PM |
george48
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1) JFK - Definitely possible - I feel that he would escalate tensions. 2) MLK - No, just a racist with his hate on. 3)9/11 - No, not a chance,the larger the conspiracy the harder it is to control. 4)Climate Change - I'm with satguru on this one. 5)Gulf of Tonkin - Not at first,someone saw the possibilites and ran with it. 6)Elvis- Seriously -only idiots believe this. Reply #17. Apr 19 12, 1:46 PM |
callie_ross
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ELVIS LIVES!!!!!! LOL! XD Reply #18. Apr 19 12, 2:30 PM |
wyambezi
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I grew up within ten miles of the White House and well remember JFK's assassination and its aftermath in Washington. The Kennedys and the Johnsons barely tolerated each other long before that tragedy and Johnson held a lot of resentment toward JFK. People knew what a despicable human being LBJ was and many have believed for decades that he was involved with planning the assassination, myself included. Reply #19. May 04 12, 12:24 AM |
Mommakat
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Actually with the Chat Board rules that are in place, particularly those pertaining to Politics, I am surprised this thread has been allowed to survive this long. Reply #20. May 04 12, 12:47 AM |
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