Subject: Cheating?
Posted by: yosl
Date: May 08 11
If I play a game like "Fill Me In" and I use Google (going back and forth between the game in one tab and Google in another) is that cheating?
Posted by: yosl
Date: May 08 11
If I play a game like "Fill Me In" and I use Google (going back and forth between the game in one tab and Google in another) is that cheating?
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holly_101
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HMMM... good question. I'm not sure... sometimes i do that, but not a lot. I guess, though, it's your loss because of the time you lose going back and forth and such... Reply #1. May 08 11, 4:15 PM |
guitargoddess
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There are a couple of games on the site that actively encourage players to research answers. For most of the games, it's not really encouraged but it's not 'forbidden' either, since there's really no way to stop it. That's why there are time penalties, and why the time penalties are harsher in some games than others. You can look up answers if you wish, but you have to decide whether it's worth taking the time to do that. Reply #2. May 08 11, 4:19 PM |
Melissa1053
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I'd say that is cheating. If I don't know the answer, I leave it blank. It's an opportunity to learn something new. Reply #3. May 08 11, 4:19 PM |
| lindamarie23
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I'd say not. Everyone has access to Google so the playing field is fair. You won't be able to answer questions as quickly though if you have to stop to research answers. Although you may answer more questions correctly, you will be penalized for taking extra time. It balances out. Reply #4. May 08 11, 4:27 PM |
Oidioid32123 
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Cheating is considered unfairly manipulating your scores. Looking up answers is not unfair, anyone can do it. Reply #5. May 08 11, 5:52 PM |
daver852
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It's not cheating, but the time penalties mean that it's usually not worth it. I'm so slow that it often looks like I'm "googling" when I'm not. Reply #6. May 08 11, 5:56 PM |
agony
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As far as site policy goes, this is not considered cheating. Some players might consider it so, so they shouldn't do it. Reply #7. May 08 11, 6:32 PM |
Anton
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I won't say Googling is cheating since we all can do it, but it IS manipulating your scores. You looked up a few answers in TVT? That means you didn't earn your perfect 15/15. Roll the dice and guess what you don't know. If you get it right, then great. Yay! if you get it wrong, then hopefully you will remember the answer for the next time it comes up. The time penalties in some games are a joke. Take TVT for example. The time penalty is a point per second. A great score in TVT would be a 1300 since that is what the top teams average in a day. That leaves players with at least two minutes to look up answers they do not know and it won't hurt the team one bit. Sometimes I think to myself that maybe I should Google in TVT or KO. I play fast enough to look up one or two answers and nobody would be the wiser, but I can't bring myself to do it. I take my 11/15 or 14/20 in stride and wait until the next day or week. Reply #8. May 08 11, 8:09 PM |
RahulR
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I think it isn't cheating as there is no such thing mentioned in the rules Reply #9. May 14 11, 9:57 AM |
wandev
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I don't think it's cheating either, mainly because I've never seen a rule that googling for an answer is a policy matter re cheating. It can, however, severely punish you on time unless it's a quiz like the Monster Quiz, a good example also of a quiz which encourages you to research answers. On timed quizzes, I don't think it's worth the penalties. Reply #10. May 14 11, 10:46 AM |
Blackdresss
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No, based on the FT Rules, it's not "cheating," but it is absolutely "manipulating." I look at it this way: If you were on Jeopardy, would you buzz in and then say, "Oh Alex, can you wait 20-30 seconds while I just look that up? I don't know the answer, but hold on..." Imagine the look on Alex' face, and the looks on your opponents' faces! Imagine that music playing endlessly... Just my opinion, and yes, everyone's got one. Reply #11. May 17 11, 8:34 AM |
_Morpheus_
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OK, here's my opinion. Kick back on the couch wiggle your toes, take deep breaths, whatever it takes. Reply #12. May 18 11, 4:17 PM |
jolana
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Blackdress, I am sorry, but I can´t agree with you. Jeopardy is about money unlike funtrivia which is only about points and virtual badges. If you lose time by looking up the answers you will lose some points but on the other side you gain knowledge which you can use later. And for me, knowledge is the main purpose of FT. Reply #13. May 18 11, 6:07 PM |
MotherGoose
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I don't think you can compare Funtrivia with a television show where you are competing for prizes. Here you don't win anything tangible. I don't consider badges and points a form of motivation for myself. I basically only play to build up my knowledge and to try to stave off senility! I don't usually look up answers because I am too lazy to do so - I prefer to try to deduce the answer if I don't know it. But sometimes I look things up if I am interested and want to know more about the subject. Since I am playing to educate and enjoy myself, and since I take no interest whatsoever in what other players are doing, and since I am not motivated by points and badges, I don't view it as cheating to use Google. Google certainly won't help you to win anything here, especially a timed game. It is exceptionally rare that I win a timed game, even when I know all the answers, because even if I go like the clappers, I still take three times as long as the usual winners because of my arthritis and my sluggish computer. If you can take time out to use Google and still win a timed game, good luck to you. Using Google to research so quickly is a great skill and a feat in itself. Terry himself has stated that he doesn't regard using Google to research as cheating. Reply #14. May 19 11, 4:14 AM |
supersal1
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I know Terry doesn't consider googling cheating, but personally I can't see much difference between playing using two accounts and popping in to the FT encyclopedia to look up answers in a timed quiz. I think research is too dignified a name for it. If I want to find out more about the subject, I'll take the whole quiz that the question came from, or look it up after I've finished the quiz. I know that just because someone takes a comparatively long time to complete a quiz it doesn't necessarily mean they're looking up the answers. The reasons you mention, plus interruptions, site freezes, etc can all add to times. However, there are a lot of players who are very very quick in some quizzes, but who seem to have an awful lot of interruptions to their game when they're playing a quiz where the time penalties aren't so severe. People do google and it does benefit them, if getting a virtual badge can said to be a benefit! However, it's not a matter of life or death so there's no point getting that het up about it. Reply #15. May 19 11, 7:38 AM |
| agony
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"However, it's not a matter of life or death so there's no point getting that het up about it. " That's my feeling. Those who consider it cheating will, I hope, not do it. Those who do not consider it cheating can do as they please. I don't consider it cheating because of the time penalties. Like MG, I'm too lazy to Google any answers - if I don't know it I'll guess. Years ago, when I used to play NTN, the interactive trivia game that they had in bars, some people I knew found a little glitch in the game. The last game on Saturday night was exactly the same as a game around lunchtime Sunday. So, they'd make sure somebody closed the bar down on Saturday and wrote down all the answers, then would come in for lunch on Sunday and ace the game by plugging in those answers. They were always very pleased with themselves, but to me, to go to such trouble for a game where there was no prize but bragging rights, seemed insane and a little pathetic. I feel much the same about any "cheating" behaviour here - cheating for bragging rights for your anonymous online identity is not the kind of behaviour to censure, but rather to pity. Reply #16. May 19 11, 7:48 AM |
| Christinap
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OK, Googling isn't cheating within the rules, but consider this. You are leading a Pot of Gold division with, say, 17 correct, none of which you have Googled. It is one of the days that you don't have the badge for. Along comes someone that is noted for Googling and already has the badge for that day, gets a perfect 20 in around 250 seconds and beats you. That has happened to me at least 3 times, and I know of several others in the same situation. Reply #17. May 19 11, 8:09 AM |
C30
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There are always going to be those to whom taking part is not the object........winning is! Reply #18. May 19 11, 8:26 AM |
| MotherGoose
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"OK, Googling isn't cheating within the rules, but consider this. You are leading a Pot of Gold division with, say, 17 correct, none of which you have Googled. It is one of the days that you don't have the badge for. Along comes someone that is noted for Googling and already has the badge for that day, gets a perfect 20 in around 250 seconds and beats you. That has happened to me at least 3 times, and I know of several others in the same situation." Christina, I hear you. Unfortunately, there are a number of players for whom it is not enough to win, they have to prevent others from winning. That's why they continue to play incessantly even though they have the badge. They would never step aside and let others have a chance to win the badge. It feeds their ego so it's rather sad really. I have a friend who I introduced to FunTrivia. He has turned into a fanatic and phones me every day to gloat about anything and everything - the fact that he beat me in a particular game, the fact that he's been a member for a short time but already has more badges than me, the fact that he is on a higher level than me, etc. He plays for hours every day at home and at work. I ignore it because I don't consider myself to be competing with him. I also feel sorry for him because to me it indicates he doesn't have much of a life really. One day, however, he'll get me at the wrong moment and I'll tell him to get a life! Much as I love FT, there are so many more important things in life than virtual badges and points. Reply #19. May 19 11, 5:26 PM |
| MotherGoose
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Supersal, even if I played with two accounts, got all the answers using one account, and then played with the other, I still wouldn't be able to win. I'm just too old and slow! (LOL) The brain is quick but the fingers won't co-operate. Reply #20. May 19 11, 5:30 PM |
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