Subject: Pearl Harbor
Posted by: daver852
Date: Dec 07 08
Today is the 67th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, "a day that will live in infamy." All of us should take a few minutes to remember the gallant sailors who gave their lives in defense of our freedom, and the sacrifices of the brave men who went on to crush the original Evil Empire and restore liberty throughout the world.
Posted by: daver852
Date: Dec 07 08
Today is the 67th anniversary of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, "a day that will live in infamy." All of us should take a few minutes to remember the gallant sailors who gave their lives in defense of our freedom, and the sacrifices of the brave men who went on to crush the original Evil Empire and restore liberty throughout the world.
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Jabberwok 
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http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/pearl_harbour.htm A little information for those that might not be familiar with all the details. Reply #1. Dec 07 08, 9:13 AM |
Dee30
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A lot of brave men and women died that day. I read that the memorial of the Arizona is being redone as the original is in process of sinking. We may have been speaking a different language if not for our brave men and women of that day. Reply #2. Dec 07 08, 5:39 PM |
cag1970
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While no one doubts the bravery of the men who fought and died at Pearl Harbor, it really wasn't until the Battle of Midway that American might made right in the Pacific Theater. If we had failed at Midway, the outcome of the war may well have been very different. We got into the war because of Pearl Harbor, but we won it largely because of Midway. Reply #3. Dec 07 08, 9:33 PM |
jamacamistaka
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Agreed, but Pearl Harbor was our kickoff. And thus, righteously so, be remembered on Dec. 7 Not Midway. Reply #4. Dec 08 08, 1:48 PM |
Cymruambyth
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cag, when you say "we won the war", I hope you're including all the allied forces who also fought and died in the Pacific Theatre. Reply #5. Dec 08 08, 3:27 PM |
| Jabberwok
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I wasn't going to go there, but now you mention it... Reply #6. Dec 08 08, 3:40 PM |
| cag1970
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Absolutely...We're weren't alone in winning that war. Obviously, we had a lot of help from friends around the world. But Midway, still, is the acknowledged turning point of the Pacific Theater. Reply #7. Dec 11 08, 7:08 PM |
| hippo22
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a lot of people lives ended that day unexpectedly...terrible Reply #8. Feb 03 09, 4:30 PM |
Greatguggly
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As awful as Pearl Harbor was, 9/11 was worse and look at how many people (especially Americans) that have forgotten about it. Seems terrorism isn't much of an issue to many people anymore...at least not until it or something worse happens again, God forbid. Reply #9. May 28 09, 7:13 PM |
| Cymruambyth
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Greatguggly, who's forgotten 9/11? Or even be allowed to? Your previous president mentioned that event in practically every other sentence, and there's the memorial event held annually on site on September 11, not to mention the ongoing war in Iraq which resulted from 9/11 (with a death rate one thousand times that of the 9/11 attack) and the fact that, as of midnight tonight, for the first time ever, Canadians and Americans now need passports to visit one another's countries - direct fall-out from 9/11. Reply #10. May 31 09, 3:47 PM |
| Greatguggly
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That's another attitude I've observed. I should have said that people want to forget about it...it irritates them. Those numbers you give for Iraqi casualties is wildly inflated. Yours and others' opposition to the war is understood without your resorting to exaggerations. Reminds me of the woman in California protesting outside a donut shop because they named a jelly-filled donut "head trauma". She said that 300,000 (seems to be a common theme) American soldiers would be returning from war with brain injuries. Seeing as there are less than 200,000 American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, I find that a little hard to swallow. Reply #11. Jun 05 09, 7:39 PM |
dfc4385
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Even if one soldier returned with brain trauma, that is one too many. And trust me, brain trauma does not manifest itself immediately in some cases. I know. I live with a Viet Nam vet who was shot in the head and suffers from short term memory loss and post stess syndrome. He does not want to be idolized. In his opinion, he was doing the job he was trained to do. His getting hit was an unfortunate occurence and he refuses to dwell on it. Reply #12. Jun 05 09, 9:03 PM |
paco18
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Passports are cool I'd expect to take mine if I went to any, any foreign nation. And as far as a 1000 to one death rate as long as they are getting the right people I wish it was higher than that. One effective way to deter terrorists is to wipe out more of them and hopefully a lot more of them than they do. Reply #13. Jun 08 09, 7:13 PM |
| dfc4385
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Americans have not forgotten about September 11th. It all depends on what you expect. I am within commuting distance of NYC, and trust me - folks here have not forgotten. Reply #14. Jun 09 09, 3:22 PM |
| Cymruambyth
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Greatguggly, that 300,000 figure includes all those who ghave died in the Iraq war - military (not just US - Brits, Australians, Poles, other countries that joined the Coalition of the Willing) and civilians (and civilian deaths outnumber military deaths). Reply #15. Jun 09 09, 10:17 PM |
Aku-Aku
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I don't want to interupt the discussion, but I would like to talk about Pearl Harbor, briefly. It's a subject close to my heart because my dad was stationed at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. He served on a destroyer. Today, he is 90 years old. I wonder how many others are still alive? I'm very proud of him and of everyone else who served. And not only am I proud of the people who served in the military, but also of the people who helped as civilians. Reply #16. Jul 27 09, 9:30 PM |
| Greatguggly
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We owe them our love, respect and thanks. We exist becuase of their bravery. Reply #17. Jul 30 09, 7:41 PM |
Anton
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"I should have said that people want to forget about it...it irritates them." Who wants to forget 9/11? Nobody i know or listen to does. I don't know where you came up with that statement. That day will never be forgotten by Americans. Now, onto the topic at hand - Pearl Harbor. All I will say is that was a giant mistake on Japan's part. Reply #18. Jul 30 09, 8:54 PM |
mjws1968
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It was a gamble that did not pay off, if they had destroyed the whole Pacific US fleet including the aircraft carriers they would have had control of the all of the Pacific Ocean and its skies except for Australia and New Zealand, in theory they could have eventually bombed Hawaii into submission and then used it as a base to attack the west coast of North America. Fortunately, they failed, but if it had worked, the war might have taken a very different course, the US would have been unable to spare as many troops for the European theatre of war if they had to defend their west coast. If the outcome had been different, the history books of a victorious Japan would have recorded it as a moment of genius and heroism. Fortunately for us, this is not the case, but it could have gone the other way so easily, and intelligence passed to American authorities about a potential attack by Japanese aircraft on Hawaii was discounted as incredible, a definite oops moment. Reply #19. Aug 01 09, 5:15 PM |
Pejikr
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I believe that if Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor, the Allies would still have won, because Britain was getting beaten and needed help, and America would have eventually provided that help. Reply #20. Aug 24 09, 4:34 PM |
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