Subject: A New "Shakespeare" Play?
Posted by: daver852
Date: Oct 21 09
A professor at the University of London claims to have used software designed to combat plagiarism to identify a new play by "Shakespeare."
Actually, Sir Brian Vickers has concluded that the play, "The Reign of Edward III," was a collaboration between the man writing under the name of "Shake-speare" and Thomas Kyd, another Elizabethan playwright and author of "The Spanish Tragedy." This makes perfect sense, as a growing number of scholars are now convinced that the plays and sonnets formerly attributed to William Shaxpear, an actor and grain merchant from Stratford-on-Avon, were actually penned by Christopher Marlowe. Marlowe and Kyd are known to have shared lodgings, and it is very likely they worked together on some projects. Marlowe likely wrote an entire cycle of history plays, beginning with "King John" and ending with "Henry VIII."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26197521-2703,00.html
Posted by: daver852
Date: Oct 21 09
A professor at the University of London claims to have used software designed to combat plagiarism to identify a new play by "Shakespeare."
Actually, Sir Brian Vickers has concluded that the play, "The Reign of Edward III," was a collaboration between the man writing under the name of "Shake-speare" and Thomas Kyd, another Elizabethan playwright and author of "The Spanish Tragedy." This makes perfect sense, as a growing number of scholars are now convinced that the plays and sonnets formerly attributed to William Shaxpear, an actor and grain merchant from Stratford-on-Avon, were actually penned by Christopher Marlowe. Marlowe and Kyd are known to have shared lodgings, and it is very likely they worked together on some projects. Marlowe likely wrote an entire cycle of history plays, beginning with "King John" and ending with "Henry VIII."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26197521-2703,00.html
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dsimpy 
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Fair do's Dave, but it happens! That bit-part actor and Assistant Stage Manager Alan Ayckbourn has been passing my plays off as his for years, and not a peep out of you about that! Did I get the knighthood and the CBE-thingy - did I heck! All because he stumbled across a little indiscretion of mine a lot of years back. How long do I have to pay for that? Reply #1. Oct 24 09, 6:00 AM |
daver852
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dsimpy, you have my condolences, but I have to get this Marlowe thing straightened out before I can take on your case. The evidence just keeps piling up that Kit and not Willie is the man. For example, in this latest case, there is no evidence that Kyd and Shaxpear even knew each other, let alone worked together; Kyd and Marlowe, however, were thick as thieves. Reply #2. Oct 24 09, 9:44 AM |
| dsimpy
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Sounds fair, Dave. I can't think of a more persistent sleuth than you to have on my case. So let's settle this one for good, folks, and let Dave get on fighting a just cause for someone who's still (barely!) alive! That grain-cruncher from Stratford didn't write those plays, capisce? It was Dave's mate Kit Marlowe. Reply #3. Oct 25 09, 11:16 PM |
Pagiedamon
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Hmm...while you're deciding, can you also find out if Shakespeare wrote 'Edmund Ironside' or not? Reply #4. Oct 27 09, 10:54 AM |
cydonia325
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Patiently waiting for the Oxfordians to weigh in on this one... Reply #5. Oct 27 09, 11:40 AM |
Cymruambyth
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I feel for the anti-Stratfordians. It must be galling to know that one's favourite conspiracy theory is going nowhere. A hundred years from now, the debate will still be on-going, no doubt, and people will still be performing in, attending, and studying plays by William Shakespeare. Reply #6. Oct 27 09, 1:11 PM |
| daver852
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Ah, Cym, the real conspiracy theory seems to be among those who persist in attributing Shakespeare's plays as being written by a second-rate actor and grain merchant, William Shaxpear, despite a growing mountain of evidence suggesting that he did no such thing. For a fairly dispassionate and convincing statement of the anti-Stratfordian position, see: http://marlowe-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2009/10/shakespeare-scholars-lament-by-anthony.html Reply #7. Oct 27 09, 1:38 PM |
| Cymruambyth
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daver, for every site and/or expert you can cite sipporting your views, I can produce an equal number supporting mine. All the sturm and drang won't change a thing. In a hundred years, as I said, they'll still be Shakespeare's plays and poems. Reply #8. Oct 27 09, 5:10 PM |
SebastianHGZ9
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A YouTube clip/excerpt from the PBS/Frontline documentary on the Marlowe theory by Emmy-winning filmmaker Mike Rubbo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsJTbWF1-lg There's a reason why the stained glass commemoration at Poets' Corner at Westminster has a question mark next to Marlowe's date of death - much to the wrath of the staid Stratfordians. Marlowe was a shadowy spy, and the traditional explanation of his being killed in a tavern brawl simply does not compute. And he was also a prodigy and brilliant playwright (guess who pioneered blank verse?), as all Elizabethan scholars agree. If there is one guy who could have pulled this all off (including writing plays with Shakespeare as a frontman), it was Marlowe. And watch out, Stratfordians, as the New York Times states, Marlowe is back, and Johnny Depp may be playing him in a Marlowe-as-Shakespeare film that should start shooting this spring. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/arts/21WREN.html See also The Marlowe-Shakespeare Connection blog (recently mentioned in Boston Globe): http://www.marlowe-shakespeare.blogspot.com and the International Marlowe-Shakespeare Society: http://www.marloweshakespeare.org Reply #9. Oct 27 09, 6:54 PM |
REDVIKING57
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Well,that's it then! If Hollywood,and Daver,says Shakespeare is a fraud,then he is. After all,we all know that Hollywood is the Guardian of Historical Accuracy. I'm still shocked that King Arthur was a Roman and Sir William Wallace was,in fact,Australian. And we won't mention Enigma......... And I'm still waiting for the 'proof' of the real shock - that not only were all the works attributed to Shakespeare for over 500 years really written by Christopher Marlowe,who wasn't really dead,but Marlowe was actually an American! And I KNOW this - because Hollywood NEVER makes it up as it goes along. After all,why let the truth get in the way of a 'good story'? Reply #10. Oct 27 09, 7:34 PM |
| daver852
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Cym, it's not the number of articles one can cite that counts, it's the evidence and reasoning contained within them. Here's an interesting article about a modern William Shaxpear - a man who took credit for other people's work: http://marlowe-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2009/06/philip-yordan-modern-day-shakespeare-by.html And there's the case of Ian Hunter, who won an Academy Award for Best Screenplay in 1953 for "Roman Holiday." Only he didn't write it; Dalton Trumbo did, a fact that didn't come to light for forty years. It's obvious that some people just haven't studied this subject thoroughly. The more one learns, the more one becomes convinced that Marlowe was "the man who was Shakespeare." Reply #11. Oct 27 09, 9:56 PM |
| Cymruambyth
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Sorry, daver, but I have spent quite a bit of time on this, and I've read widely on the subject. I did some of my growing up 29 miles from Stratford Upon Avon and I feel a proprietary interest. How is it that there are so many references to Warwickshire (outright or by implication) and rural life when Marlowe was city-born and bred and wouldn't know these things? Reply #12. Oct 27 09, 11:01 PM |
| daver852
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Well, then, Cym, you have been reading the wrong people. The idea that there are unique references to Warwickshire in Shakespeare's plays has pretty much been debunked; there are many, many more Kentish phrases and words in the plays than those from Warwickshire. I'll let you explain to me how the world's greatest writer could have had a mother, a father, a wife, and two daughters who were all illiterate. and possessed not a single book when he died. Reply #13. Oct 27 09, 11:56 PM |
| Cymruambyth
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Where's the empirical evidence for those claims? Reply #14. Oct 28 09, 11:34 AM |
trojan11
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By his own admission, Cym, only Daver may decide those that are and those that are not the right people to read. I think that the rest of us should meekly bow before his superior intellect and insight. Reply #15. Oct 28 09, 1:45 PM |
s-m-w
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My dear” T”, does that mean that Daver could be correct and that all English literature is Bunk? All those hours wasted, oh wow is I indeed! “1589-1590. Shakespeare is believed by most academics to have written his very first play, Henry VI, Part One in this year.” Why ever bother, when, on the other side of the pond a movement was already underway to discredit him, oh wait, perhaps not quite then! Reply #16. Oct 28 09, 2:01 PM |
| daver852
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trojan11, thank you for your enlightened post! And Steve, this is not about English Literature being bunk; it's about the true author getting credit for his work, not some penny-biting front man. Fortunately, as more evidence continues to be uncovered, academic opinion is being changed, and more and more scholars, authors, and academics are accepting Marlowe as the writer behind the Shakespearian mask. Here's another link for those with minds open enough to want to learn a few facts about the Shakespeare authorship controversy: http://www.marloweshakespeare.org/index.html (Edited by cydonia325 to remove reference to poster's given name) Reply #17. Oct 28 09, 2:21 PM |
| trojan11
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I very much fear 'S', that in the light of daver's startling revelation, I am now possessed by an overwhelming urge to trundle of in search of a conspiracy theory, the vine from which I intend to swing all the way, perhaps, up to the Mother Ship. I am at the present cooking bacon; so that's at least one pig that wont fly again Thank you, Dave. The permission to peruse was welcome and taken full advantage of. An interesting presentation, very gaudy and attenting getting, in Stan Lee sort of way. Reply #18. Oct 28 09, 3:28 PM |
| daver852
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"When a man's verses cannot be understood, nor a man's good wit seconded with the forward child Understanding, it strikes a man more dead than a a great reckoning in a little room." "As You Like It," Act III, Scene III "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt." - "Measure For Measure, Act I, Scene IV Reply #19. Oct 28 09, 4:30 PM |
| s-m-w
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1598 ish, poor Will dragged his sorry derriere off into the wilderness (perhaps pre Broadway) and feeling rejected and castigated by cynics wrote “Much Ado About Nothing” Apt indeed... Will self in the morrow be away to the Cotswolds, my passage through the borough of Stratford may be saddened by the demise of literature. Sigh... Reply #20. Oct 28 09, 4:31 PM |
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