Subject: Geoengineering
Posted by: satguru
Date: Jun 07 12
Doubts aside, although they didn't refer to the existing projects already in place even if you don't believe that, it probably soon will be official. Those barium and similar salts are what I call pollution, the effects on that quantity are pretty well predictable and will become part of the entire ecosystem, similar to pesticides but on a scale never before imagined. If you don't like the idea you can complain to them directly, if enough people did, and voted against the parties who support it (currently nearly all of them mind you) it may not happen though. This is not a minor issue, those are potent chemicals.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/carnegie-institute-calls-for-spraying-aerosols-to-block-the-sun.html
Posted by: satguru
Date: Jun 07 12
Doubts aside, although they didn't refer to the existing projects already in place even if you don't believe that, it probably soon will be official. Those barium and similar salts are what I call pollution, the effects on that quantity are pretty well predictable and will become part of the entire ecosystem, similar to pesticides but on a scale never before imagined. If you don't like the idea you can complain to them directly, if enough people did, and voted against the parties who support it (currently nearly all of them mind you) it may not happen though. This is not a minor issue, those are potent chemicals.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/carnegie-institute-calls-for-spraying-aerosols-to-block-the-sun.html
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satguru 
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This article has all but got full admissions now rather than direct clues. Here's the effect of the most popular chemical, barium sulphate. Remember once it's sprayed in the air it only heads in one direction, downwards. "The newscast focuses on Barium, which its research shows is a “hallmark of chemtrails.” KSLA found Barium levels in its samples at 6.8 ppm or “more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA.” The Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality confirmed that the high levels of Barium were “very unusual,” but commented that “proving the source was a whole other matter” in its discussion with KSLA. KSLA also asked Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, about the effects of Barium on the human body. Ryan commented that “short term exposure can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains and that long term exposure causes blood pressure problems.” The Poison Control Center further reported that long-term exposure, as with any harmful substance, would contribute to weakening the immune system." Reply #1. Jun 07 12, 1:51 PM |
| satguru
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If anyone doubts the first link this is direct from New Scientist. They are happily creating artificial clouds to block the sun. Is this sensible? Let alone is it safe, which I've answered already (no, it's very harmful and will wreck the ecosystem for generations). http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21873-geoengineering-would-turn-blue-skies-whiter.html Reply #2. Jun 07 12, 8:10 PM |
| satguru
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Seems I'm not the only person who doesn't want toxins sprayed into the atmosphere http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/21/us-geoengineering-idUSTRE69K18320101021 "(Reuters) - The United Nations should impose a moratorium on "geo-engineering" projects such as artificial volcanoes and vast cloud-seeding schemes to fight climate change, green groups say, fearing they could harm nature and mankind. The risks were too great because the impacts of manipulating nature on a vast scale were not fully known" Well stone me, I'd never have thought of that myself... Reply #3. Jul 03 12, 5:02 PM |
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Of course it's absolutely inappropriate. It's also a powerful way to attempt to get rid of something that isn't even actually harmful. We may not know what the long-term effects are but I'd bet the people who did it had a pretty good idea that it wouldn't be healthy. Reply #4. Jul 03 12, 7:24 PM |
| satguru
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Firstly there are plans to dump huge amounts of iron in the ocean, despite warnings from scientists it will be toxic, but New Mexico are going ahead with poisoning the atmosphere. So you start with CO2, always present, now found to be lower than for the previous 200 million years (see my forum thread), and essential for all aerobic life. So they're pumping god only knows what to try and affect the climate. Although the quantities required would not even be possible to create let alone release (think of the size of the atmosphere even up to the edge in one location) they can poison it and kill birds and other wildlife very easily. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/17/geoengineers-to-release-planet-cooling-gas-into-new-mexico-atmosphere/ Reply #5. Jul 18 12, 6:51 PM |
| satguru
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Here's the iron story, normally you should test your experiments in a lab and see what happens in the same ecosystem in the short and long term, and do years of follow ups to see the effect on the health or otherwise of the life involved. But they're going to do it anyway. If this doesn't concern you just think if they did it in your local reservoir instead. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07/21/scientists-propose-dumping-hundreds-of-tons-of-iron-into-ocean-to-stop-global-warming/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29 Reply #6. Jul 21 12, 8:35 AM |
| satguru
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Here is an open discussion by scientists over how much and how fast they must use the two most powerful forms of geoengineering, stratospheric aerosols (spraying metal salts in the air) and cloud brightening. No thanks mate. http://www.mail-archive.com/geoengineering@googlegroups.com/msg00508.html " There is no alternative to geoengineered cooling in the short term, the awsome problem of saving the Arctic sea ice - which is ignored in this article. I know you appreciate this" Oh really? Reply #7. Aug 02 12, 5:48 PM |
| satguru
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Something odd happened there, try again http://www.mail-archive.com/geoengineering@googlegroups.com/msg00508.html Reply #8. Aug 02 12, 5:49 PM |
| satguru
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According to this article it's not allowed yet, unless: "no climate-related geoengineering activities that may affect biodiversity take place... with the exception of small scale scientific research studies... and only if they are justified by the need to gather specific scientific data and are subject to a thorough prior assessment of the potential impacts on the environment". That's OK then. He goes on to say: "For example, it was pointed out, spraying sulphate particles into the stratosphere might ruin the ozone layer. You'd want to know that before you contemplated using the technology; but how are you going to find out unless you spray a little bit?" Yep, that's why they put soap in rabbit's eyes. But the air belongs to all of us and we'll breathe it as well as the lab animals. This I would say is pretty dangerous territory, even considering putting poisonous metal suplhates into the air in such quantities they believe it would change the climate (it won't, they'd sink so fast they'd do absolutely nothing, changing the climate takes decades except for volcanoes which only last a couple of years and reverts back to what it was before). We breathe CO2, plants need it to grow, and we'd all be dead without it, yet they'd prefer to pump junk into the atmosphere to stop something some scientists are gradually finding is not actually likely at all. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19371833 The author appears to believe it's the lesser of two evils. Now I'll stay here and take my chances with a slightly warmer climate when I'm dead, and he can go and live on Venus and enjoy the chemicals. But promoting I have to breathe it as well is not on the cards for decent normal people is it? Have they lost the plot totally now? Reply #9. Aug 31 12, 7:16 PM |
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Do you think this geoingineering can lead to geoterrorism in the form of weather manipulation? Reply #10. Aug 31 12, 8:24 PM |
| satguru
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The geoterrorism is in the form of pumping vast amounts of toxins into the ecosystem. I am following up a story they are breeding aluminium resistant plants now to not be affected by it. And for the few people who told me I was making it up around the site the stories are now slowly coming out openly http://theyellowbrickroadfreeblog.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/cost-of-chemtrail-program-put-at-5-billion-a-year/ "U.S. scientists writing in the journal Environmental Research Letters concluded that “Planes or airships could carry sun-dimming materials high into the atmosphere for an affordable price tag of below $5 billion a year as a way to slow climate change,” reports Reuters, a process characterized as “both feasible and affordable.” The cost of using specially adapted aircraft able to operate at high altitudes as a delivery system to disperse sulphur particles was put at $1 to $2 billion a year. Using “giant guns or rockets” would be more expensive. Co-author Professor Jay Apt of Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh told Reuters that injecting the atmosphere with sulphur but then suddenly removing it from the eco-system could cause temperatures to jump, indicating that the program would have to be ongoing in perpetuity." It's not a theory believe me, it's been up and running for years. Reply #11. Oct 02 12, 5:22 PM |
| satguru
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Excuse the delay Honeybee, I didn't see the reply till yesterday. You need endless patience when following up original stories, but 7 years on the US law allowing geonengineering has hit the internet. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s517/text Calendar No. 319 109th CONGRESS 1st Session S. 517 [Report No. 109-202] To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes. IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES March 3, 2005 Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation..... Reply #12. Oct 03 12, 6:50 PM |
| satguru
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Looks official now, the Swedes have finally let the cat out of the bag http://www.naturalnews.com/037451_chemtrails_conspiracy_theory_geoengineering.html Reply #13. Oct 06 12, 5:03 PM |
| satguru
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It now turns out they've been working on causing the weather to order in the US for military purposes since the 70s and earlier as a 35 page document testifies http://www.scribd.com/doc/48289237/Leaked-Weather-Modification-Document I can't paste over as it's a file format but this was in use long before people thought of global warming as they use it as a weapon. Reply #14. Nov 01 12, 6:22 PM |
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After rigorous trials weather modification is now law in New South Wales. I've yet to learn the chemical cocktail which was approved following negotiations but I wouldn't want it falling in my tea. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-19/cloud-seeding/4322880 Reply #15. Nov 08 12, 6:13 PM |
| satguru
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I am amazed when so many people claim there is no such thing as geoengineering, mainly as they don't announce when and where they do it (would you want it landing on your house and family?). Here is the summary of the latest activities from Wikipedia, which are just the beginning of the 'proposals' and no doubt existing projects which by their very definition could never stop or change global warming as how can it be done globally? "Geoengineering approaches offer interventions which may increase Arctic ice, or reduce its decline.[65] These operate either by regional effects (Arctic geoengineering) or global effects (geoengineering). Several specific Arctic geoengineering schemes have been proposed to reduce Arctic climate change. Further, scientists such as Paul Crutzen have argued for general geoengineering proposals such as using stratospheric sulfur aerosols to be used, which will affect the Arctic if deployed in or near this region. According to John Holdren, Assistant to the President of the United States for Science and Technology, complete loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic would be a milestone that could justify geoengineering in order to purposely cool the climate." I am not at all scared of the climate in any way as it always produces the same things we all live with now, but I am terrified of metal salts being introduces in such large quantities in the ecosystem when their effects are already well known by chemists and biologists on animal and plant life. And people worry about a little water and solvent from fracking... Reply #16. Dec 27 12, 10:57 PM |
| satguru
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China have been doing it to supposedly create or stop rain and snow since 1958. Looking at the chemicals I'd prefer a drought to the alternatives. And don't they realise it all goes in the water which people then have to drink? This was long before the attempts to control the temperature, which unlike rain is a planetary issue and any local attempts cannot have any effect at all, except generate cash and poison the atmosphere. http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2012/05/26/china-to-increase-weather-manipulation-program/ Reply #17. Dec 30 12, 7:35 PM |
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Air and snow tests find toxic levels of nanoparticles http://www.zengardner.com/global-weather-modification-assault-causing-climate-chaos-and-environmental-catastrophe/ Reply #18. Jan 13 13, 5:57 PM |
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After 70,000 hits an interview explaining current geoengineering was removed by Youtube. Luckily it just got sent back so watch it while you still can http://www.zengardner.com/censored-dane-wigington-geoengineering-interview-pulled-from-youtube/ Reply #19. Mar 06 13, 10:12 PM |
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The evidence grows http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?4124-So-you-don-t-believe-in-chemtrails&p=21928#post21928 Reply #20. Mar 12 13, 5:50 PM |
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