Subject: Equal Time For Marlowe
Posted by: daver852
Date: Jun 13 12
I will confine my postings to a topic near and dear to my heart, i.e., that the works now attributed to William Shakespeare were actually written by Christopher Marlowe. My intent is to enlighten and inform, and not to disparage anyone holding a contrary opinion. Rabid Stratfordians are invited to shower me with abuse, and I will gladly answer any questions to the best of my ability.
Posted by: daver852
Date: Jun 13 12
I will confine my postings to a topic near and dear to my heart, i.e., that the works now attributed to William Shakespeare were actually written by Christopher Marlowe. My intent is to enlighten and inform, and not to disparage anyone holding a contrary opinion. Rabid Stratfordians are invited to shower me with abuse, and I will gladly answer any questions to the best of my ability.
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Reply #2301. Jun 18 20, 11:32 AM |
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I don't think it would work with Marlowe. Rap style just makes middle English easier to remember and digest. At least it has subtitles. I've just had my delayed cancer op. All went well. The tumour had shrunk to 1cm with the medication I was taking and the surgeon said it was easy to remove as it was just under the skin. It was delayed because of the Covid 19 pandemic. Reply #2302. Jun 20 20, 9:42 AM |
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Have you seen this? You'd think people didn't want to survive the pandemic  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-53174415/they-want-to-throw-god-s-wonderful-breathing-system-outReply #2303. Jun 25 20, 6:45 AM |
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Mask-wearing laws are largely unenforceable in much of the United States. And the actual benefit of wearing masks is completely unquantifiable. We can presume there is some reduction of risk of transmission, particularly indoors or in crowded areas, but we can't tell by how much in any meaningful way and it is ridiculous to think, for example, that wearing a mask while jogging in a park hundreds of feet away from anyone does anything but disturb the mask-wearer's breathing while exercising. The idea that police are going to be able to enforce mask-wearing laws on beaches in Florida frequented by thousands of young people is almost laughable. And shutting down the beaches in one area does is deprive that area of the economic benefit of the visitors. If banned from one beach, they will just go to another. Shutting down all the beaches in Florida or the US in general is an even more ridiculously untenable position. It isn't going to happen and the constant inescapable saturation of the media with these these kinds of stories at this point only annoys people. A 25 year old beach goer knows full well they have a vastly higher chance of death from dying in a car wreck than dying of Covid-19, even *if* they contracted it. They don't have a death wish, they have a realistic appreciation for the statistics of the situation. The elderly people with chronic medical conditions have totally different statistics, and, by all means, should avoid going to beaches, especially if they just want to chastise young people for not wearing masks. (Hint: it wouldn't get the young people to put on masks, and might have adverse health consequences for the individual doing the chastising.) Reply #2304. Jun 25 20, 8:39 PM |
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Well Brian, you have some logic which is what the arguments of the people in the article don't have, but countries that used masks as part of other measures they used had some of the best pandemic control results, provided people adhered to the advice. Masks are not foolproof but they do help to contain coughs and sneezes better than not using them. Why do all the medics wear them if they are no use? If people don't want to follow medical and scientific advice it will be interesting to see how their countries' pandemic results compare to those that were more compliant. Reply #2305. Jun 26 20, 1:16 AM |
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If they only had scientific advice in Shakespeare's day. The best they could do then was to leave town. I learned recently that King Lear was written during a plague outbreak. Daver probably knew that already. Reply #2306. Jun 26 20, 1:18 AM |
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It was their housing and living circumstances that often allowed plague to spread so easily. After the Great Fire of London, the plague never returned to London. Reply #2307. Jun 26 20, 1:20 AM |
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I heard that an outbreak of bubonic plague has been detected in Mongolia. Would you Adam and Eve it? What a throwback. Reply #2308. Jul 07 20, 1:19 PM |
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Previous comments on this site from you, Daver, and other authorship questioners, seem to indicate that you don't believe someone can be a creative genius and a good businessman at the same time. I've been listening to a lot of Led Zeppelin recently and Jimmy Page is certainly those two things. I'm sure there are others too. People who admire his musicianship and work also describe him as a good businessman. So it's perfectly possible to find those things in combination in people including Shakespeare. I also realise that if you had eyewitness testimony to Shakespeare's creative abilities, (which we do in Ben Jonson and Shakespeare's theatre colleagues) from many of his contemporaries, you still would not believe it because I've seen how you dismiss emerging scientific evidence on the Covid pandemic, in favour of sticking to your very first opinion on the issue. Reply #2309. Jul 23 20, 2:41 AM |
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A very tenuous and strained attempt to connect two completely unrelated matters. Why not just stick to the authorship issue? Reply #2310. Jul 23 20, 7:06 AM |
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It is relevant Brian because it reveals an attitude towards evidence which conflicts with convictions. I am done talking about Covid and only used it as an analogy in terms of evidence. Reply #2311. Jul 23 20, 2:28 PM |
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Sorry I made 2 points. The other point is that Marlovians and Oxfordians and others frequently make the point that Shakespeare was 'just' a businessman as if someone who is a businessman could not possibly be as creative as the author of the plays, was but there are other examples of people like that. It's not impossible or unheard of. Reply #2312. Jul 23 20, 2:32 PM |
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In order to give some activity here I thought it might be interesting to post this video of Jamie Campbell Bower playing Christopher Marlowe in the TNT channel TV series 'Will'. This is a fan video, based on clips from the series, and is reflective of a fan type video style and musical accompaniment, but I think Jamie Campbell Bower looked not too unlike the single image of Marlowe that we have. The series was a part 'modernised' and almost wholly imagined take on the story of William Shakespeare in London which can be seen in some aspects of the series, such as the modern character of some of the clothes. I think it was designed to appeal to a younger generation and get them interested in Shakespeare and Marlowe. Purists tended to hate it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3kBvjgQcsI&list=LLGGEn5ziDGQqNRr1m3pwHBg&index=93&t=0s Reply #2313. Aug 18 20, 2:56 AM |
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Reply #2314. Oct 08 20, 9:29 AM |
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Reply #2315. Oct 08 20, 9:55 AM |
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Wow, The Marlowe thread has come back to life with plenty of reading material to look at. Reply #2316. Oct 09 20, 2:43 AM |
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Recent (September 2020) finding of the first Shakespeare play to reach Spain - the last one he wrote attributed jointly to Shakespeare and John Fletcher. https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/09/19/rare-edition-of-shakespeares-last-play-found-in-spains-royal-scots-college/ In 2014 an early copy of Shakespeare's plays (1623 - 7 years after he died) was found in St-Omer France https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30206476#:~:text=A%20rare%20and%20valuable%20Shakespeare,northern%20France%2C%20for%20200%20years.Maybe there's hope for finding further evidence relating to Shakespeare or Marlowe and their lives, yet. Reply #2317. Oct 09 20, 2:59 AM |
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I heard a tune on the TV and knew that I knew it but couldn't identify it. Eventually a few words followed by the chorus came into my brain. It was 'Now is the month of Maying'. I looked it up and it's by Thomas Morley, a composer who was a contemporary of Shakespeare and lived in the same parish as him in London. He set to music one of Shakespeare's songs from As You Like it 'It was a lover and his lass'. This was published in 1600 so could have been used in a performance of the play. However there's no evidence of this or proof of a connection between him and Shakespeare. From info on Thomas Morley, I came across the name of Robert Johnson who did compose music for Shakespeare's company, The King's Men. He has also shared a patron with Shakespeare's company under their previous name as Baron Hunsden's Men aka the Lord Chancellor's. Men. It's funny sometimes when you pull a little thread, where it leads to. Reply #2318. Oct 18 20, 5:06 AM |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Johnson_(English_composer) Reply #2319. Oct 18 20, 5:07 AM |
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Reply #2320. Oct 19 20, 9:40 PM |
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