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Subject: Into a New Verse

Posted by: LoveAnimals555
Date: Sep 01 18

So I am admitted in MBBS course in SN medical college, Agra. I got admission on 16th August 2018.

Now a new phase of me is starting, where I have to live far away from my family, I have to manage everything on my own.

In this thread I will be sharing my experiences, my new and renovated thoughts and all about everyday going.

Regards
Elai

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brm50diboll

Nobody likes the smell. Not participating in the dissections will make life difficult for you, however. Perhaps you should take the time to see a doctor and get a note about your allergy.

Reply #21. Sep 20 18, 1:30 PM

scorpion1960

Try a surgical mask with menthol, or peppermint to block the smell.

Reply #22. Sep 24 18, 7:26 PM

LoveAnimals555

"Try a surgical mask with menthol, or peppermint to block the smell."

I asked my JR if I can do that, but she refused that you are not doing surgery that you would put mask. I literally shocked by her statement, there was no logic in it. Most of the professors and JRs are that kind of illogical only. Huh... Tomorrow is again my turn of dissection, let us see how it goes. The skin of the back is removed and superficial fascia has been cleaned, tomorrow we would have to show all the superficial muscles of the back..such as lattismus dorsii, trapezius etc.

Reply #23. Sep 25 18, 8:34 AM

LoveAnimals555

Watching Asia Cup Final (cricket): quite interesting India needs 2 off 2. My heart going into tachycardia state!

Reply #24. Sep 28 18, 1:52 PM

LoveAnimals555

And heart beating faster...India needs 1 off 1.

Reply #25. Sep 28 18, 1:52 PM

LoveAnimals555

Finally, India won off the final ball. India won Asia Cup for the seventh time! Uhhh ....

Reply #26. Sep 28 18, 1:54 PM

LoveAnimals555

For the first time I am playing the final round of Fun Trivia Knockout round. I scored 1495. I am bit nervous about the results....

Reply #27. Sep 28 18, 1:56 PM

postcards2go

Congratulations for the Asia Cup :-)

Good luck for your Knockout. It's hard to play all week, and get a win.

How are you dong with your dissection? Were you able to overcome your sensitivity to the preservative, so you could take your turn?

Reply #28. Sep 28 18, 2:28 PM

LoveAnimals555

"Good luck for your Knockout. It's hard to play all week, and get a win."

Actually it is the first time I made it to the final round of KO. And my contender seems to be quite better!

This week has been tremendous for me on FT in fee ways-

1. I won my first crown, it was in piece of cake, sci-tech category. All advancements in the game I made was in science category.

2. Yesterday I score 15/15 in 29 = 1471 in Expert game. That is a crown level score but I got platinum only as it get upgraded level by level. The topic was Chemistry. :)

3. For the first time I made it to final round of KO.

Reply #29. Sep 28 18, 9:36 PM

LoveAnimals555

"How are you dong with your dissection? Were you able to overcome your sensitivity to the preservative, so you could take your turn?"

It was my turn with 3 other students of dissection. We have to dissect back region. I started off but soon as I started....there are 2 girls in the batch who always interfere in dissection. They both interfered again and start dissecting without their turn. And since both those girls look good two more boys came to accompany them. That was a weird moment of me, it made me angry and I left as on the table where 4 dissect, two assist by reading the book, 8 were there to dissect, 4 to read and guess what both those girls stands at the main position of dissecting. That is quite a bad stuff. I ignored, washed my forceps, scalapel and was back to my stool in anger. I will also start interfering but when the dissection of Neck and Head region will be done!

Reply #30. Sep 28 18, 9:43 PM

terraorca

I am surprised that the Instructor allowed the interference.

Reply #31. Sep 28 18, 10:25 PM

LoveAnimals555

"I am surprised that the Instructor allowed the interference."

Interesting point but the instructor is not with us most of the time. In the dissection of 1 hours she is with us for 2-3 minutes. If there is some difficult part if dissection...like it was showing of brachial plexus...she does it the day before dissection and not in front of us. She just use to come and and ask if we are able to find any structure or not. She stands for 2-3 minutes and then go. She is with us only at the time of the bone demonstration. Conditions of college and system is quite bad. I don't like it!

Reply #32. Sep 28 18, 10:55 PM

terraorca

Should be better, but life is not perfect.

Reply #33. Sep 28 18, 11:10 PM

LoveAnimals555

"Should be better, but life is not perfect."

It should be better but it isn't even near to be called fine.

Let me tell you the condition of one of the prestigious medical institute of our country, most of the prestigious institutes have similar condition...while only a few are better!

¤ Starting from my Lecture Theatre-
1. Half of the fans does not work.
2. Conditions make us feel like we are in a horror house.
3. The projector screen should be white bit it is dusty and black, so we find great difficulty in reading. Moreover no fixed projector is there, each and every department comes with their own projector, fix it, which waste 5-10 minutes daily.
4. There is no Mike. The batch is of 150 students, so almost all who are unfortunate to sit on last bench are not able to listen a single word of lectures.
5. Sometimes street dogs too study Medicine with us.
6. There is no curtains, so a huge intensity of light enters the LT and that creates even more difficulty to figure out what's on the screen.

¤ Dissection Hall Condition

1. No proper stools of chair...leads to bad posture.
2. During bones demonstration, teacher's voice is obstructed by the vehicle sound outside.
3. Again half of the fans not working.
4. One cadaver per 50 students. Only 3 cadavers out there.
5. No proper lightening.

¤ Human Lab conditions

1. No proper instruments. We need to buy our own stethoscope, sphygnomanometer, hammer, running fork, torch and all...
2. A lot of rats are there and their piss and faeces smells very bad and unfortunately that is not cleaned on regular basis.
3. No proper lightning, half of the fans again not working, no proper stools, looks like the instruments put there are not used since they were placed, all rusted items.

¤ Haematology lab

1. Again light, curtains and fan problems.
2. Again we have to buy slides in fact pins to take blood on our own, at least they provide microscope, but that to 1 per 10 guys.
3. Pathetic lab conditions don't give us feeling to work there.

¤ Biochemistry lab

1. Never seen a single bottle filled of chemical yet.
2. Pathetic light, fan and stool conditions there too.
3. We go and sit in biochemistry lab for 2 hours and don't do anything.

And this is the actual picture of the prestigious institutes of my country! Huh... Even though every year students complain but there is no improvement.

Reply #34. Sep 28 18, 11:34 PM

brm50diboll

Most probably a money issue. Science labs, properly outfitted, can be extremely expensive. In the United States, most universities, in addition to tuition, charge "laboratory use" fees.

The fact that you have only three cadavers for 50 students makes it even more important that, when it is your turn to dissect, that you do so regardless of what others are doing. Actually seeing what is going on in that sort of environment is likely a rare experience that should not be missed.

Students today have the advantage of access to extensive internet resources that were not available in the "stone ages" when I was in school. There, if I missed something in a dissection, I would have to pour over the pages of Grant's Atlas of Anatomy to try to learn things, but atlas pictures are two dimensional and not a good substitute for a real dissection experience. Today, one can go online and find all sorts of videos detailing three dimensional aspects of anatomy.

And if I may interject my opinion here (yeah, you knew this was coming), students in affluent Western countries are spoiled. When money is short and resources are limited, frequently students in those conditions learn *more* than students in more affluent countries because they understand the reality of the situation and have motivation. The reason American schools cannot teach math in classes of 50 is not because it can't be done. Asian countries do it (more successfully, by the way) because they have something there woefully lacking here: classroom discipline. If a student isn't doing what they are supposed to, they are failed and thrown out. Once that was the case in the US. It is still the case in most Asian countries, where the value of real education (as opposed to social promotion) is recognized. American university science departments would close down were it not for H-1B visas for Asian graduate students.

Reply #35. Sep 29 18, 12:01 AM

LoveAnimals555

"Most probably a money issue. Science labs, properly outfitted, can be extremely expensive. In the United States, most universities, in addition to tuition, charge "laboratory use" fees."

We are ready to pay charge but they are not willing for the improvement. The main problem with the government colleges in India is this only.

Improving the conditions of labs and at least replacement of projector screen and putting curtains and having a Mike won't even cost 1% of the income of the combined total of all the faculties (professors and JRs). If I would have been a professor then I believe I wouldn't be able to teach in a condition where 70% of students can't even get what I am speaking. I don't know what's your perspective towards it Brian, but you may understand in a better way as you yourself are a teacher and I believe you must be an awesome teacher.

Reply #36. Sep 29 18, 10:52 PM

LoveAnimals555

"The fact that you have only three cadavers for 50 students makes it even more important that, when it is your turn to dissect, that you do so regardless of what others are doing. Actually seeing what is going on in that sort of environment is likely a rare experience that should not be missed.

Students today have the advantage of access to extensive internet resources that were not available in the "stone ages" when I was in school. There, if I missed something in a dissection, I would have to pour over the pages of Grant's Atlas of Anatomy to try to learn things, but atlas pictures are two dimensional and not a good substitute for a real dissection experience. Today, one can go online and find all sorts of videos detailing three dimensional aspects of anatomy."

At least I never miss to have a look at the structures that appears while dissection. But my batchmates do it in a way that many structures are damaged. Huh...

I have a book, Human Anatomy by Alice Roberts with 3D images of quite large size, that give a real outlook of how structures are present in the Body. That was a quite luck that I found that book on Amazon and ordered without thinking...a right decision....no one had suggested me that book. That is the God mercy on me.

Reply #37. Sep 29 18, 10:56 PM

LoveAnimals555

"And if I may interject my opinion here (yeah, you knew this was coming), students in affluent Western countries are spoiled. When money is short and resources are limited, frequently students in those conditions learn *more* than students in more affluent countries because they understand the reality of the situation and have motivation."

I understand that point well. But as I have grown up I realized that the motivation is just limited to spending a comfortable life and earning lots of money. I was really shocked when I realized that.

Let me tell you something about Indian society-
1. We are taught, 'be a good man, study and you will lead a comfortable life with a lots of money.' and not 'be different'. The one with difference have to go through a lot of criticism....like I go through....I just wonder that I am not just criticised by society...but also by my batchmates...teachers and all....Huh!

2. An Indian parent will wish you to be a good doctor and engineer but never a scientist! Huh....

3. Our study pattern is in such a way that it takes away our creativity...I am not referring to creativity of art or acting and all such but the creativity we should have in studies to make it interesting and awesome. If you go through Indian Education system for about 10 years you will lose your Creativity, observation skill and will be left with a great knowledge, memory and learning abilities and nothing else. I am fortunate that even though I have been part of this system for about 12-13 year, I still have observation skills, creativity and a quite weak memory. My parents sometimes scold me of my memory! Huh...but my memory factor is hidden behind my performance as I always manage to score good in my way.

I don't know about scenario in other countries but this is how it goes in my country!

Reply #38. Sep 29 18, 11:08 PM

brm50diboll

Damaged structures are a real problem. Students are not professional surgeons, so they do butcher structures sometimes. Another thing that can be an issue sometimes is the pathology that existed in the cadaver before he or she died. They may have had previous operations and some structures may be missing.

Reply #39. Sep 29 18, 11:11 PM

LoveAnimals555

"Damaged structures are a real problem. Students are not professional surgeons, so they do butcher structures sometimes. Another thing that can be an issue sometimes is the pathology that existed in the cadaver before he or she died. They may have had previous operations and some structures may be missing."

True..and those students who do daily butches most. Out of 3 cadavers our cadaver has the most fat in it. So 90 percent of our time of dissection is lost in removing the fat. Huh...quite unlucky in the sense.

Reply #40. Sep 29 18, 11:19 PM

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