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Subject: Science Fiction Interpretations

Posted by: brm50diboll
Date: Jan 02 17

I have debated with myself starting a Virtual Blog for months. I have so little free time nowadays that I may not be able to keep it up, but I think I'll at least try. This is intended to be wide-ranging, so it wouldn't fit in the Television, Movies, or Literature boards categories and I don't want to clog up General with just my observations but here I can rant if I choose and people can choose to ignore me or engage my flawed analysis if they wish.

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I must confess I had not heard of Tripods, so I did a quick Google search and read the Wikipedia article on it before making this post. I am a fan of dystopias, as can be gleaned from reviewing this blog. The premise I saw in Wikipedia did seem very interesting to me: an alien civilization controlling humans after an apocalypse and keeping them in a medieval state of civilization development. If aliens did want to control humans, it would certainly be easier in a preindustrial society, as suppression of creativity I think would be fundamentally incompatible with being able to sustain an industrial society, due to the high complexity level and, more importantly, the high levels of change inherent in industrial societies. I saw that there was a British television adaptation to this series. This might be interesting to view if it were available in the states as the time I have available for reading is extremely limited. Certainly I am aware that television and movie adaptations of books are generally inferior to the books themselves, but it still seems interesting.

Reply #441. Apr 06 21, 1:22 PM

When I tried to find episodes of the television series, I found that the majority of first season (10/13 episodes) was available on YouTube. For the second season (which I have not seen), only two or three episodes were available. If it makes you feel better, I think John Christopher tended to like the first season better because it was closer to his books than the second season was.

Reply #442. Apr 13 21, 8:07 AM

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Reply #443. Apr 13 21, 10:00 AM

Just came across this:

https://tinyurl.com/4rfj6p9c

Not all of that was science fiction, but look at bases she covered:

The Twilight Zone "Of Late I Think of Cliffordville" - as Miss Devlin (Female Devil)

Star Trek TOS "Friday's Child" - as Eleen

and, saving (appropriately) for last, multiple appearances on "Batman" as Catwoman

I saw all of those in reruns in the 70s.

Purrfect!

Reply #444. Apr 29 21, 10:20 AM

I don't know exactly how this counts, but it seems like it should count somehow. I must admit I haven't actually seen the film, but it is a name drop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Wong_Foo,_Thanks_for_Everything!_Julie_Newmar

Reply #445. Apr 29 21, 12:34 PM

Ah yes. It is unfortunate that, after the 60s, Julie Newmar's appearances in television and the movies began to decline. It is a sad reality that actresses' careers are more negatively affected by the passage of time (in most cases) than actors' careers. Of course, Julie Newmar is still alive today, but she was rarely seen in roles by the 90s, though obviously fondly remembered. It is nice that Julie Newmar did a cameo in that 1995 movie. No disrespect to Lee Meriwether or Eartha Kitt, but Julie Newmar was my favorite Catwoman.

Here's another clip:

https://tinyurl.com/5drrvf6x

Reply #446. Apr 29 21, 1:08 PM

Answer: Trekkies

Question:

https://tinyurl.com/5mbc2ja6

What a combination! A reference to Trekkies and some nice sarcasm from Daria.

Reply #447. May 18 21, 5:46 PM

A few observations about the original pilot to Star Trek, "The Cage":

"The Cage" was filmed in 1964, a full two years before Star Trek appeared on NBC. Gene Roddenberry had presented this pilot, starring Jeffrey Hunter as Captain Christopher Pike, to CBS executives and had it rejected for several reasons. For one, they had expected a "space opera", a sort of Western set in space with lots of action and not much depth. Roddenberry had been a writer for TV Westerns in the 50s, at the peak of their popularity. They did not expect all the existential angst that appears in this pilot. So Roddenberry shopped his idea around to others, and NBC said they would consider it, but demanded a second pilot more true to their expectations be filmed. But by then, Jeffrey Hunter was no longer available (he was filming for "King of Kings", so he was replaced with William Shatner as Captain Kirk in the second pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before". This was acceptable to NBC, but even more changes were made in the cast for the rest of the season 1 episodes. Looking back, even "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is quite different from the rest of the show (no Dr. McCoy, for example). But the first season cast of Star Trek was so different from "The Cage" that only Leonard Nimoy as Mr Spock was retained from the original pilot into the actual show, and even with him, his appearance and personality were markedly altered from "The Cage" to the show. It is unfortunate that Jeffrey Hunter died young. Roddenberry wanted to include "The Cage" in the first season (as he had included "Where No Man Has Gone Before", even though he had not made it the first *aired* episode because of its differences with the rest of Season 1), but because "The Cage" was so radically different from the rest of the show, it was not broadcast in it's original form (not until the 80s actually), but scenes from it were described as "history from 11 years ago" and repackaged with new footage with the modern cast to make the only two-part episode in the history of Star Trek TOS, "The Menagerie", which was broadcast deep into Season 1.

The female guest star from "The Cage", Susan Oliver, was also quite interesting. I remember her appearance in an early Twilight Zone episode, "People Are Alike All Over". She had a very mysterious quality, playing a sympathetic Martian in the Twilight Zone, and a very enigmatic individual in "The Cage". Was she human? Was she an alien? Was she an illusion cooked up by the Talosians for some manipulative purpose towards Captain Pike? Those questions got answered at the end, but it is also interesting how different those endings were in "The Cage" as compared to "The Menagerie".

The following clip explores some of those issues that set apart this original pilot as being so different from the rest of Star Trek. I particularly like Susan Oliver's line at about 2:27 into the video: "A person's strongest dreams are about what he *can't* do."

https://tinyurl.com/w732cp9e

Then she becomes the dancing green Orion slave girl. During the first season of Star Trek, the closing credits of the show always included a still photo of Oliver as the green Orion. A different green Orion girl appeared much later in the show (3rd season) when Yvonne Craig (noted for playing Batgirl in the final season of the 60s Batman TV show) appeared in the episode "Whom Gods Destroy". The green Orion girl became such a strong meme that JJ Abrams even included it in his 2009 Star Trek reboot movie.

I think sometimes about what Star Trek might have looked like had Gene Roddenberry been able to follow his original vision for the show with "The Cage".

Reply #448. May 26 21, 5:09 PM

It would be interesting to see how some of the characters would have developed with the series have the cast from "The Cage". Would Number One or Dr. Boyce have been interesting characters over the course of a series? By comparison, if you look at Lt. Sulu or Capt. Kirk in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" could you predict how those characters would have developed in three seasons and several films. Or you could compare Spock in the two pilots (emotional vs. unemotional). In the second pilot, Spock would pick up some of the character traits of Number One.

Reply #449. Jun 01 21, 12:16 PM

My opinion is (and it counts for basically nothing since it is a pure hypothetical) had Number One (played by Majel Barrett, who became Nurse Chapel) continued into the main series, she would have remained unemotional and Spock would have remained emotional. As the series progressed, Vulcans would have been assigned a completely different set of characteristics than they got in the actual series. As for Dr. Boyce, (the actor who played him, John Hoyt, had done a marvelous job in the original Twilight Zone episodes "Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up?" and "The Lateness of the Hour") was actually one of the reasons CBS had rejected the original pilot. Not because they didn't like his acting, but they considered him too old and wanted a younger actor in the ship's doctor's role. In the second pilot, Paul Fix played Dr. Mark Piper. Paul Fix had been the judge in the classic "To Kill a Mockingbird" as well as Micah Torrance in "The Rifleman" as well as many other westerns (which is probably how he knew Roddenberry). But he was also considered too old by execs, so the doctor part went ultimately to another western veteran, DeForest Kelley as Dr. McCoy (Kelley had been in "Gunfight at the OK Corral" with Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster, as well as many other westerns). But following the hypothetical that Dr. Boyce had been the ship's doctor in the actual Star Trek series, I think (again, a pure hypothetical), he would have played the ship's doctor as a wise but kindly old man, similar to his Dr. Loren part in "The Lateness of the Hour" in TZ). We would have never gotten such classic McCoyisms as "He's dead, Jim!" or "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!". McCoy was much more excitable than Boyce. The whole McCoy-Spock insult dynamic never would have existed. The show would have developed very differently with calm Dr. Boyce instead of irritable Dr. McCoy.

Just my opinions.

Reply #450. Jun 01 21, 3:06 PM

I've always liked the original "Jurassic Park", especially its "prophet of doom", Dr. Ian Malcolm, played by the wonderful Jeff Goldblum. Dr. Malcolm served a useful purpose in pointing out the hubris of John Hammond and his army of hired-gun scientists who thought they could control nature. Dr. Malcolm's role in the movie was considerably reduced from what it was in the Michael Crichton book, but it was still unforgettable. Here's a few highlights:

https://tinyurl.com/ekjvjkuk

I'm particularly partial to this exchange:

Dr. Grant: You married?
Dr. Malcolm: Occasionally. I'm always on the lookout for a future ex- Mrs. Malcolm.

Dr. Malcolm was an expert in the mathematical branch known as chaos theory (how appropriate). It is important to remember that science is nothing without its foundation in mathematics.

In the book, various sections of the text are set off by pages labeled "iterations". There are seven iterations in all shown on these pages, each one accompanied by a prophetic quotation from Dr. Malcolm. Each iteration shown is of a particular fractal curve known as "the dragon curve". Fractal curves such as the dragon curve, the Mandelbrot set, and others are particularly important in chaos theory. Chaos theory is related to the butterfly effect (the movie version of which I also happened to like) which states that small changes in initial parameters lead to large changes in final results. This observation was encountered particularly (and very frustratingly as well) in computer models designed to predict weather. No computer model can consider all the variables known to influence weather (some of which are still unknown) and, as a result, the further into the future a weather forecast model is projected, the less accurate it becomes, no matter how powerful the software used.

Here's an interesting video I encountered on the Dragon Curve:

https://tinyurl.com/57axx2wj

The so-called "1st Iteration" in the "Jurassic Park" book actually corresponds to the fourth unfolding as shown in the video, but no matter.

Dr. Malcolm was particularly correct when he pointed out that scientists who applied knowledge acquired by others without having put in the effort to discover the principles themselves are particularly prone to hubris. They tend to overlook details they considered unimportant that come back to bite them later.

Of the sciences, Physics is particularly unforgiving on that point. Ignoring harmonic resonance lead to things like the collapse of the Tacoma Narrows bridge.

https://tinyurl.com/4mxp6eas

When I taught Physics, I would ask my students who wanted to become engineers (my father was a mechanical engineer) and there were always a few who said they wanted to. I always told them that physics was essential to engineering, but it was very "Old Testament"; that is, it was about consequences, not forgiveness. A few wrong calculations and your bridge collapses. Biology may not seemed to be as rooted in mathematics as Physics, but it would be a mistake to ignore math in Biology.

Now one wouldn't want to end up like Jeff Goldblum in another famous sci-fiction role of his, as Seth Brundle in the 1986 remake of "The Fly".

https://tinyurl.com/db53nx3h

See y'all next time.

Reply #451. Jul 02 21, 10:15 AM

Went to see "Free Guy" starring Ryan Reynolds at the theater today. Nice movie with an interesting premise: Free Guy is an NPC (non-player controlled) in an elaborate video game who develops artificial intelligence and begins to promote the development of AI in his fellow NPCs. In the "real word", players play the interactive "Free City" videogame by assuming avatars in the game. The way you can tell the avatars from the NPCs is that the avatars wear sunglasses. Well, at least until Free Guy gets some sunglasses and starts to wear them. The "Free City" owner is trying to destroy Free Guy because he is about to discover evidence that he stole code from other developers and put it into his game without properly compensating them, and they have a lawsuit against him in the "real world". Very entertaining movie with Westworld overtones in it. Ryan Reynolds is a veteran of sci-fi movies, having been in the unsuccessful Green Lantern and the successful Deadpool. And the sunglasses bit is deeply reminiscent of "They Live".

https://tinyurl.com/c3dk7m3j

Reply #452. Aug 13 21, 7:42 PM

Today is (or would have been) Gene Roddenberry's 100th birthday.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

Reply #453. Aug 19 21, 10:53 AM

I know, it's been a long time since I've contributed to this blog. It turns out pursuing Tier 7 (The Crown) in various Monthly badges, which has been my main quest these past several months is quite exhausting. Who knew? And since I have actually only successfully completed two at this point and have many more to go, this grind will probably occupy a big chunk of my time and energy in 2022, not to mention my contributions to other threads I've traditionally devoted time to. So have I been keeping up with anything new in science fiction these past few months? Yes, but nothing too remarkable. Netflix has released the third and final season of their reboot of "Lost in Space" (which treats the subject seriously rather than as a farce in the 60s original.) I liked it, and the Robinsons did finally get to Alpha Centauri in the end.

"The Flash" started season 8 on the CW with a five-part subject called "Armageddon", then promptly went back on hiatus again until next March. It appeared to me that "Armageddon" was primarily a vehicle to showcase guest stars from various corners of the so-called "Arrowverse" that had been introduced earlier but never really developed the way the writers had originally envisioned. A case in point would be Brandon Routh appearing as Ray Palmer (The Atom) in the first episode. His character had originally appeared on "Arrow" and appeared a few times on "The Flash" before settling in on "Legends of Tomorrow" for several years, but during that time "The Atom" persona was rarely used and that show became quite campy, almost like 60s "Batman". Routh left "Legends" last year, but in his one-off "Flash" appearance we see him as "The Atom" again finally. It was as if the writers wanted to salvage characters and plot lines that had been largely abandoned on other CW shows. Of course, the best part of the brief fall appearance of "The Flash" was Tom Cavanagh's reappearance as the Flash's archenemy, The Reverse Flash. The Reverse Flash is the one supervillain on the show that has his own theme music, so hearing the Reverse Flash theme when Tom Cavanagh appeared was exciting.

https://tinyurl.com/3rvuwfwd

The song is very similar to the theme of "The Flash" show itself, except transposed to a minor key and rearranged to be more sinister with background helicopter sounds and so forth. Since Tom Cavanagh played several versions of Harrison Wells on "The Flash" (most of them good guys), the theme music is a tip-off that *this* appearance will be as his one evil character on the show.

I've been watching old episodes of "Deep Space Nine" from the 90s. Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had a very positive vision of the future in The Original Series and most of The Next Generation, but after he died, his successors decided to abandon Roddenberry's directives to always stay bright and positive and show more of the flaws of human nature in Star Trek, so in Deep Space Nine we see a darker fiction than in earlier Star Trek, with greed, racism, drug use, cruelty themes explored.

It is interesting that way back in the very first season of The Original Series, Roddenberry had invited several notable science fiction writers to submit scripts for the show. One such guest writer was Harlan Ellison, who wrote the original draft of the script for one of the most famous TOS episodes "The City On The Edge Of Forever". But Harlan Ellison's version had had drug use on the Enterprise, something Roddenberry objected to and he rewrote Ellison's draft to purge it of all the things he didn't want to be in his positive version of the future. Ellison disliked the final script so much he asked Roddenberry to remove his name from the screenwriting credits for the show, but Roddenberry refused. Many critics would say the resulting episode was still the greatest of all the TOS episodes despite the writing issues. Still, I wonder what Star Trek would have looked liked had they retained Ellison's original script for the filming of that episode. It probably would have looked a lot more like "Deep Space Nine" as it appeared some 30 years later.

I have seen that Seth MacFarlane's long-delayed third season of "The Orville" (on Hulu) is finally scheduled to come out in March of 2022, so I look forward to that.

I'll probably eventually get around to commenting on more stuff in 2022, but it may be awhile. The grind of extremely aggressive trivia play day after day does drain my energy level available for posting.

Reply #454. Dec 23 21, 10:22 PM

The grind of extremely aggressive play was indeed more of an obstacle to my returning to this blog than I'd supposed. Even now, I am still exhausted and don't have the energy to address all the items I had wanted to. I managed to finish watching Star Trek: Deep Space Nine before it got taken off Netflix. I can't afford Paramount+. There are just too many streaming services out there nowadays so I stubbornly have to just stick with the ones I have (Netflix, Hulu, and HBO Max) rather than keep expanding. I enjoyed DSN, as the "darker" take on Star Trek was more realistic about the future than Roddenberry's extremely optimistic original one.

Hulu did not make the anticipated March start to the third season of "The Orville" which got pushed back to June, so I am in the process of watching it now. I'm sorry Norm Macdonald died. His brand of humor is similar to mine and his role on "The Orville", while small, was much enjoyed.

HBO has now begun the fourth season of "Westworld". At the end of the third season, Dolores Abernathy was killed off but I am glad to see Evan Rachel Wood is still in the show, now playing a character called Christine who I assume is connected to Dolores by some high tech magic that will get explained in the episodes to follow.

In September the next season of "The Handmaid's Tale" is expected to return to Hulu. And in November the third and final season of Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" (focusing on the third book "The Amber Spyglass") is expected to return to HBO Max. And I am always on the lookout for other new ideas, though my available time for such exploration is quite limited. I am not retired, after all. I work for a living.

Reply #455. Jul 02 22, 2:28 PM

I haven't posted here in such a long time because I'd decided to wait until all of the things I'd mentioned in my last post had appeared so that I could comment on them in one post rather than spread out over multiple posts, as I have limited time for posts nowadays.

The third season of "The Orville" was quite enjoyable, and stronger in the science fiction and with less of the humor that had characterized the first two seasons, although it was still present, particularly in certain episodes, such as the season finale. It isn't clear at this point whether or not there will be a fourth season, but I would certainly watch it if it came.

The fourth season of "Westworld" was more confusing (to me, anyway) than the first three had been. The main theme of the fourth season was "the old switcheroo", in which the hosts used a virus carried by genetically engineered flies to control the behavior of the humans. The virus worked better on children than the adults, so after a generation, the hosts led by Charlotte had reduced humanity to slavery, but a rebellion by a few surviving humans who were resistant to the virus broke out, essentially reversing the events of the first season. The strongest point of the fourth season was the acting of Ed Harris, who played both the original human William, the Man in Black, and his host clone who worked for Charlotte. Every scene Ed Harris appeared in was wonderful. Unfortunately, (spoiler alert) both versions of the Man in Black get killed off. Also, the relationship between Evan Rachel Wood's new character of Christine and her old Dolores character, although clarified in the last two episodes, still seemed strained to me. And the Bernard and Maeve characters seemed peripheral to the primary storyline. The fourth season was certainly watchable, but when I heard HBO had cancelled the show rather than go forward with a planned final fifth season which all the primary actors had already signed contracts for, although I was disappointed, I'm not that surprised as the number of loose ends just seemed to keep expanding throughout the fourth season. Too bad. I would have enjoyed seeing what the creators had planned for the fifth season despite the unevenness of the fourth season.

To me, a similar situation has occurred with Hulu's "The Handmaid's Tale", which had its fifth season. Since the show departed the events of the book in the first season and struck out on its own, there has (to me, anyway) been a lot of "padding" and slow plot progression in the subsequent seasons. It continued in this year's fifth season. The dithering of June over whether or not she would return to Gilead to rescue her daughter Hannah seemed forced and unnatural to me. I did like Serena's birth of her son Noah and her subsequent effective "captivity" by the Wheelers, essentially turning the tables on her and treating her as she had treated the handmaids in earlier seasons. The execution of Commander Putnam caught me by surprise and was certainly an interesting plot twist, especially as the man who ordered the execution, Commander Lawrence, then proceeded to make Putnam's widow his bride, demonstrating the twisted politics of the Gilead regime. But the pace seemed dreadfully slow to me. Anyway, it is apparent that Hulu had more faith in "The Handmaid's Tale" than HBO had in "Westworld" as Hulu had announced that despite falling ratings, there will be a sixth and final season of "The Handmaid's Tale" to wrap up all the plotlines and presumably show the final confrontation between June and the Gilead regime. I think Hulu made a better decision than HBO did. I will certainly watch the sixth season.

HBO is now showing the third and final season of Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials". I have watched the first two episodes of the third season, which follows the events in the third of Pullman's novels "The Amber Spyglass". I find "His Dark Materials" quite enjoyable. I am glad to see James McAvoy back in his prominent role of Lord Asriel in the third season, as he basically had only one brief cameo appearance in the whole second season. Since I haven't read "The Amber Spyglass" (although I have read plot summaries of it), the conclusion of this saga won't seem as telegraphed to me as probably it will be to those who had read all the novels. I think the remaining episodes to come should be quite exciting. The decision to film these adaptations as a miniseries rather than as individual theatrical movies I think was a very good one. I don't see plot "padding" here. Instead, I think the time is actually needed to faithfully dramatize what is in the novels, and three movies would have required too much abridgement. Whole parallel dimensions are being described here and are well deserving of the extra time needed to flesh out what is going on.

Well, that is all from me for now. I don't especially have anything on the immediate horizon of science fiction that I am specifically waiting for at this time, which is unusual. Nevertheless, there are always ideas out there that come up and "catch my fancy", as I am always on the lookout for intriguing science fiction premises. If something does come up, I will certainly post about it. It may be a few months before I post anything new here again, though.

Reply #456. Dec 08 22, 5:41 PM

After a long absence from this blog, I return to update my activities in the science fiction arena over the past few months. I have just finished watching the series finale of "The Flash" on the CW. It went nine seasons, and the ninth season (half a season, really, as it was only 13 episodes from March to May of 2023) went out with a whimper, in my opinion. A shame, the show was amazing in its early seasons but really started to go off the rails when all this pandemic business started, as it greatly disrupted shooting schedules ("The Flash" was always filmed in Vancouver, British Columbia for cost reasons, and Canada filming was severely affected by all the restrictions.) Anyway, although there were still occasional good episodes here and there in the late seasons, the overall arc of the show was so disrupted it became almost impossible to follow. And the final 9th season was the most disordered of all. I don't see why they wasted Danielle Panabaker on this "Khione" character in the final season. There was no decent reason to kill off Caitlin Snow. The fact that she was resurrected in the series finale didn't help. The final season spent way too much time on supporting characters with powers that made no sense and not enough time on the Flash. Grant Gustin is a fine actor. The show was supposed to be about him. It just seemed to me to be undisciplined writing that hurt the show at the end. Despite all its late season problems, I still liked "The Flash" as a whole.

On another front, after a long absence, Netflix is about to drop a sixth season of "Black Mirror" in June. For those who have not seen it, it is definitely an acquired taste. Somewhat like the old "Twilight Zone", but much darker in tone and focused on the damage to society that technology can cause. It can definitely give you nightmares. It's not just an embodiment of Murphy's Law that anything that can go wrong will go wrong - it's much worse than that - more like everything will go wrong in the worst possible way that could be imagined, creating a giant dystopia in its wake. There are legitimate concerns over the direction development of AI is taking us. I am reminded of the quote from Dr. Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park - "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." After watching a few "Black Mirror" episodes, the emphatic reply to that should be "NO! NO! NO!" I am not a Luddite, technology definitely has its uses, but taking into consideration possible unintended consequences should be a required part of scientific ethics education. Time to see what new lessons the sixth season has in store for the brave who dare to watch it.

Reply #457. May 28 23, 12:01 PM

Brian, see if a cable system in your area carries the Hereos and Icons channel. I think the website is HandI.com that's a capital i. It shows all the live action Star Trek shows Monday to Friday starting at 8pm eastern. I don't know what time that would be where you live.

When it began showing all the ST shows, they started every show at season one, episode one. It was interesting to see how all the shows stole plots from the first Star Trek show for their first season. I don't know if it was lack of imagination or more "Let's give viewers something they are familiar with."

Reply #458. Jun 05 23, 11:01 AM

I haven't read this blog for a while so I'm reading back entries. Green Orion slave girls make an appearance in Star Trek: Enterprise. They are much more alluring and seductive in Enterprise.

While Julie Newmar was very good as Catwoman, Eartha Kitt is my favorite. I also remember Julie Newmar from pantyhose commercials she did. Alexis Smith also appeared for the same brand. She was dancing, or recently had been, on Broadway at the time. I don't remember the brand but I do remember the ads. Dancers tried on the product then did high kicks to show how well it fit. I remember thinking Tina Turner should be in those ads too. Oh, silly, naive me! Thinking back, only white women were on TV ads back then.

Reply #459. Jun 05 23, 11:28 AM

Julie Newmar also appeared in an hour-long fourth season Twilight Zone episode as "Miss Devlin" (essentially a female version of the devil) entitled "Of Late I Think of Cliffordville".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=27o3Fhfdq0g&pp=ygUuSnVsaWUgbmV3bWFyIG9mIGxhdGUgaSB0aGluayBvZiBDbGlmZm9yZHZpbGxlIA%3D%3D

Mr. Feathersmith made the mistake of asking Miss Devlin to send him back to his youth "as I looked then". He looked young, but inside he was still old, so when making a deal with the devil, (even as Miss Devlin), one must be very careful with one's choice of words.

Reply #460. Jun 06 23, 1:38 PM

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