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Quince: "We will have a prologue, and it shall be written in eight and six." Bottom: "Nea, make it two more... eight and eight." What exactly did they mean by those numbers?

Question #76110. Asked by Arpeggionist.

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Jenga650
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A debate in Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream over which type of sonnet they should use for the play within the play. This "play within the play" was titled "Pyramus and Thisbe". The first, mentioned by Quince, is referring to the octave (eight lines) and the sestet (six lines) of the fourteen line sonnet. This is the normal structure used for prologues.

As for what form the "eight and eight" refer to, I need to think about that. Obviously it's a sixteen line form of poetry, with two octaves.

Feb 20 2007, 7:45 AM
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Alternating lines of eight and six syllables (rhyming ABAB)made up the traditional English ballad metre, found for example in “Chevy Chase”:

“The Perse owt of Northombarlande
A vowe to God mayd he ....”

Uniform eight-syllable lines (rhyming AABB) were favoured in romances, e.g. Chaucer’s translation of the Romance of the Rose:

“Without abode, knele down anon
And you shal have absolucion.”

So Quince fancies a simple unsophisticated folksy ballad metre, while Bottom thinks that a more polished courtly romantic style is more appropriate.

See this webpage (page 638):
link http://rsnz.natlib.govt.nz/volume/rsnz_43/rsnz_43_00_008400.html


Feb 20 2007, 7:52 AM
Jenga650
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Jenga650
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Thank you TabbyTom!!! I was just doing that from memory :)

Ahh.. The perks/curse of an old English major lol

Feb 20 2007, 7:53 AM
Arpeggionist
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Arpeggionist
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And which, of course, does Shakespeare have his character write?

Feb 20 2007, 8:44 AM
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The prologue turns out to be in the heroic style - iambic pentameters (or ten and ten):

If we offend, it is with our good will ....

Feb 20 2007, 10:49 AM
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Well, I'm quite impressed by the knowledge of literary devices displayed here. A silver pen then for you.

Feb 20 2007, 11:21 AM
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