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John A. Logan. Best field commander the Union army ever had. He would have whipped Lee in in a month, had he been given the chance. Reply #1. May 29 09, 11:44 PM |
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Empress Matilda, fought for her rights in a male-dominated world. Wrong Civil war? You should have said. :D We've had three. Reply #2. May 30 09, 1:45 AM |
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Jabberwok............only three? I'm sure we can muster more than that! Simon De Montford, Stephen-Maltilda, War of Roses, Cromwell v Charles, Monmouth Rebellion.............go back a bit....even the Anglia v Mercia, or Mercia v Northumberland, sort of Saxon conflict could be classified "Civil War"............takes yer pick! However, I am sure this is not what the originator of the thread meant! So...........ACW.............my favorites (not necessarily the best)........Generals John Bell Hood and Nathan Bedford Forrest & Admiral Raphael Semmes......we Brits tend to support the underdog you know! Reply #3. May 30 09, 2:42 AM |
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See, I'd class some of those as rebellions rather than Civil wars. Otherwise you'd have to bring in Bonny Prince Charlie too. American Civil War? :} Um... Reply #4. May 30 09, 2:55 AM |
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To be frank, if Matilda had possessed one wit of sense and not alienated the entire population of the city of London with her arrogant and overbearing treatment of them, and others, she would have won easily. General Pat Cleburne ranks high on my list. A superb defensive general. To mind the CSA's best. Reply #5. May 30 09, 2:59 AM |
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Agreed, she was arrogance personified. However her escape over the snow from Oxford castle gained my admiration at 13, and I never really recovered. :) I'm leaving the thread now as I know very, very little about the war between the States and I don't want to annoy people...too much. Reply #6. May 30 09, 3:59 AM |
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Good choice Trojan! Unfortunately the Western Theatre never got the "publicity"? of the ANV. I'd also rate "Uncle Joe" Johnston as a good defensive General. Jabberwok........when I mentioned that to wife, she said some were "rebellions".........but usually a Civil War is just that? Reply #7. May 30 09, 4:26 AM |
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In all honesty, C30, not really. A revolt can be just a few hundred people revolting against, well, pretty well anything at all. A rebellion may be construed as a larger version of the same thing, leading to the term, 'revolution'. But not until a nation is basically divided into two camps, with each striving for political authority, can such strife be termed as 'civil war. Reply #8. May 30 09, 1:43 PM |
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Does Marion Robert Morrison count? Reply #9. May 30 09, 1:57 PM |
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Fingers or toes? Reply #10. May 30 09, 2:02 PM |
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Has to be fingers Reply #11. May 30 09, 2:06 PM |
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I guess if he is a hero of your you can count him SMW and if he is counting anything, then Elvis must be doing partical physics in the next room. I will go with the intersting character of General Longstreet. Reply #12. May 30 09, 4:13 PM |
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In the American Civil War, I like Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman, the general who famously remarked "War is hell!" In the English Civil War of the 17th century, my hero is one of my ancestors who died at the Battle of Gloucester in July, 1642. His sword still hangs in the hall of my father's family home in Herefordshire. His younger brother was wounded at the Battle of Worcester and escaped with other Royalists to Holland. He returned in 1660, when Charles II reclaimed the throne of England and in 1665 he built the house in which my father was born and grew up, and in which my cousin and his family now live. (The Paliamentary Army had destroyed the formmer house that had stood on the property, much of it dating back to the Middle Ages.) Reply #13. May 30 09, 11:00 PM |
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How about good ol Ollie Cromwell - could do with one like him now... wonder whether he claimed expenses... lol Reply #14. May 31 09, 2:57 AM |
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Cymr..............I had an ancestor killed in Siege of Colchester, fighting on Royalist side. Interestingly enough, whilst East Anglia was staunch "Cromwell Country", Colchester and King's Lynn declared for the King. Barracuda..........It is unfortunate for the Confederacy that Lee didn't heed Longstreet's advice at Gettysburg, subsequent events proved that "Old Pete" was perfectly correct. Reply #15. May 31 09, 8:08 AM |
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I too have lot's of dead ancestors...really lot's, I mean, well, probably bloody thousands by now. Haven't the vaguest notion where they died, 'tho. I dunno, a ditch or two, couple of moats, maybe, hung drawn and quartered, shot for cowardice, dropped dead of old age? I'll have too look it up. Oh...yes, Longstreet. I sometimes wonder what he really thought of R.E Lee. James Longstreet was a bit of a closed book (apart from his book, that is). Reply #16. May 31 09, 12:57 PM |
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Trojan..............somewhere in the dusty depths of the box room, I have "From Mannassas to Appomattox" by James Longstreet. Makes "War & Peace" look like a short story! If I can unearth it, I might see what, if anything, he says about "Marse Robert". Reply #17. May 31 09, 2:24 PM |
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That would be really interesting C30. If I remember correctly, he didn't say an awful lot about R.E Lee, other than to make a certain point about Gettysburg, to which Lee, although disagreeing, did not deign to respond - ever the gentleman. Reply #18. Jun 01 09, 5:05 AM |
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'Civil War Hero'? Undoubtedly,Oliver Cromwell! Bit of a religious nut,but a great man.IMHO! As for Charles I,I'd have 'transported' him to 'The New World'.Now,that would have changed history! Reply #19. Jun 01 09, 5:44 AM |
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RedViking......nah, the opposite - keep the King and send Cromwell to "New World".........! Trojan...........agreed. Reply #20. Jun 01 09, 8:30 AM |
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