Subject: Women in History
Posted by: Mixamatosis
Date: Jan 16 18
I had the impression that women in history weren't very powerful in past times, unless they happened to be a Queen in their own right. I've been finding that's not so. Here are some examples: I'm quoting wikipedia here "Marie Anne de La Trémoille, princesse des Ursins (1642 – December 5, 1722), was a French courtier and royal favourite known for her political influence, being a de facto ruler of Spain from 1701 until 1714. She spent most of her life as an agent of French influence abroad, at first in Rome, and then in Spain under the new Bourbon dynasty, followed by a final period at the exiled Stuart court in Rome. She played a central role at the Spanish royal court during the first years of the reign of Philip V before her ousting from the country following a power struggle with Elisabeth of Parma.
And here's what it says of Elizabeth of Parma, that she "was Queen of Spain by marriage to King Philip V. She exerted great influence over Spain's foreign policy and was the de facto ruler of Spain from 1714 until 1746. From 1759 until 1760, she governed as regent."
And also "On 9 July 1746, the reign of Elisabeth ended with the death of Philip V and the succession of her stepson Ferdinand. As Ferdinand, like his father, left the government business to his spouse, Maria Barbara, the French ambassador remarked that: "it is rather Barbara who succeeds Elisabeth than Ferdinand succeeding Philip".
Any more examples people can think of?
Posted by: Mixamatosis
Date: Jan 16 18
I had the impression that women in history weren't very powerful in past times, unless they happened to be a Queen in their own right. I've been finding that's not so. Here are some examples: I'm quoting wikipedia here "Marie Anne de La Trémoille, princesse des Ursins (1642 – December 5, 1722), was a French courtier and royal favourite known for her political influence, being a de facto ruler of Spain from 1701 until 1714. She spent most of her life as an agent of French influence abroad, at first in Rome, and then in Spain under the new Bourbon dynasty, followed by a final period at the exiled Stuart court in Rome. She played a central role at the Spanish royal court during the first years of the reign of Philip V before her ousting from the country following a power struggle with Elisabeth of Parma.
And here's what it says of Elizabeth of Parma, that she "was Queen of Spain by marriage to King Philip V. She exerted great influence over Spain's foreign policy and was the de facto ruler of Spain from 1714 until 1746. From 1759 until 1760, she governed as regent."
And also "On 9 July 1746, the reign of Elisabeth ended with the death of Philip V and the succession of her stepson Ferdinand. As Ferdinand, like his father, left the government business to his spouse, Maria Barbara, the French ambassador remarked that: "it is rather Barbara who succeeds Elisabeth than Ferdinand succeeding Philip".
Any more examples people can think of?
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Also Madame De Maintenon had a lot of political influence and power in the French court at Versailles in the time of Louis XIV. A lot of important political decisions were credited to her and she became the morganatic wife of Louis XIV. Many important courtiers including military generals would often approach her in order to gain influence with Louis. Louis himself frequently conducted business meetings in her rooms. She scuppered a military plan to rescue French positions in the battlefield because the planner had not consulted her nor had he planned or allowed for her to go on the campaign. Reply #1. Jan 16 18, 3:26 PM |
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Madame De Pompadour was the mistress of Louis XV. At some stage she lost interest in continuing to have sexual relations with him and that stopped, but she continued to wield political influence. At the same time that Pompadour continued her political influence, Louis took another mistress (Madame Du Barry) who had no interest or aptitude for politics. There seemed to be no ill-will between the women whose roles did not conflict. Reply #2. Jan 16 18, 3:37 PM |
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