Subject: Problem with Co-authored quiz
Posted by: Creedy
Date: Nov 24 23
Regarding shadowmyst2004's new quiz "Common Words" (414,021) which went online Nov 23, Shadowmyst asked me to be the co-author on this quiz with him. I agreed, and wrote five of the ten questions listed in the quiz.
While waiting for the quiz to go online, it showed up on my own list of quizzes being worked on - and with me noted as co-author on it.
However, the quiz is now online - with only Shadowmyst listed as its author.
So I asked the relevant Editor in the quiz category it went to. That was looney_tunes
She replied straight away, saying "As I was editing, I saw that (Shadowmyst) said it was being coauthored, but saw nothing else in the template that indicates that, or shows the name of the coauthor. I edited it using the old editor screen, and there was no sign of a coauthor, so I wasn't even aware that it was you! When I went to the new editor, I saw you listed in the coauthor spot, so that is still there. The issue seems to be that it isn't displayed in the final quiz. I think this would be a good point for you to raise in the Author Forum, where someone who could actually do something about that would see it.
Meanwhile, I have added a sentence in the conclusion to say that the quiz was coauthored by you two."
So here it is. Could that hiccup be looked into please - in case it affects other co-authored quizzes?
Posted by: Creedy
Date: Nov 24 23
Regarding shadowmyst2004's new quiz "Common Words" (414,021) which went online Nov 23, Shadowmyst asked me to be the co-author on this quiz with him. I agreed, and wrote five of the ten questions listed in the quiz.
While waiting for the quiz to go online, it showed up on my own list of quizzes being worked on - and with me noted as co-author on it.
However, the quiz is now online - with only Shadowmyst listed as its author.
So I asked the relevant Editor in the quiz category it went to. That was looney_tunes
She replied straight away, saying "As I was editing, I saw that (Shadowmyst) said it was being coauthored, but saw nothing else in the template that indicates that, or shows the name of the coauthor. I edited it using the old editor screen, and there was no sign of a coauthor, so I wasn't even aware that it was you! When I went to the new editor, I saw you listed in the coauthor spot, so that is still there. The issue seems to be that it isn't displayed in the final quiz. I think this would be a good point for you to raise in the Author Forum, where someone who could actually do something about that would see it.
Meanwhile, I have added a sentence in the conclusion to say that the quiz was coauthored by you two."
So here it is. Could that hiccup be looked into please - in case it affects other co-authored quizzes?
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kyleisalive
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Hi Creedy-- this is a known issue and it is being addressed. It's not a feature many people use so there hasn't really been much troubleshooting for it thus far. Terry will add something in similar to what we have for a Team Quiz (or an Adopted Quiz) where there's a small line saying that it came from X team or Y original author. Only the initial author of the quiz will receive officially-tracked credit for the submission; the co-authors attached to the template after will not. Same as a Team Quiz. The initial creator of the template is still solely responsible for all contents, especially in the case of corrections (during editing or down the line). Reply #1. Nov 24 23, 9:37 PM |
Creedy 
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Thank you for the info. It will be a shame, though, if other co-authors don't receive credit for their part - and seems somewhat superfluous to have a co-authored quiz at all, if the creditation is the same as for a Team Quiz. I understand that everything is bound to have hiccups and so on with all the excellent new additions to quiz writing templates that are being set up by Terry and the FT Team - but yet...but yet: Our team has submitted a 5 member co-author quiz to FT recently - and a couple of contributing members to that quiz are nervously excited at the thought that their names were going to be "up there in lights". I don't care about my part at all, not one bit, as I already have enough quiz credits to my name - but I actually feel really quite bad, almost a bit tearful, about this for them. Their lollipops are being taken away. Reply #2. Nov 25 23, 7:51 AM |
rossian
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Years ago, before team quizzes were a thing. Cymruambyth and I wrote a quiz together which she submitted. When she realised that only she would get any credit, she insisted we do another one which I could submit. This seems to be what Phoenix Rising do with their team quizzes - they all contribute questions but the player who submits it changes. That seems to be the only practical solution as the system isn't geared up to do anything else. I assume you've already credited the person who wrote each question in the info, as we did with quizzes written for various other challenges. Reply #3. Nov 25 23, 8:08 AM |
LadyNym
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As a PR member, I confirm what Rossian said in her previous post. We take turns in managing our team quizzes, as only one of us (the manager) will be officially credited. However, we pay particular attention to the sign-off line of every question - which ensures that anyone who contributed will be credited, even if the quiz bears the name of only one author. Anyone who has at least five quizzes online can manage a quiz, and the process is not particularly time-consuming, especially for mixed quizzes as our Cool/Zippy Zooms. If the quiz is themed, then editing may become a bit more labour-intensive, and experienced quiz writers (such as you, Pat) will find it easier going than someone who has just started authoring. However, I would highly recommend using this rotation system if you want to increase your team quiz count. Reply #4. Nov 25 23, 8:39 AM |
| kyleisalive
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Re: "Thank you for the info. It will be a shame, though, if other co-authors don't receive credit for their part - and seems somewhat superfluous to have a co-authored quiz at all, if the creditation is the same as for a Team Quiz." Co-authoring performs the same function as a team quiz, but opens the collaboration to more than just people on your team. Besides that, the template functions virtually identically. Doing more than simply listing co-authors on the quiz opens up issues with credit for site rewards, points, etc. that wouldn't be altogether fair (should a co-author get credit for a badgelet, a painting, and prestige from a quiz they may have only done one question on?). Reply #5. Nov 25 23, 9:17 AM |
looney_tunes
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Re: "Our team has submitted a 5 member co-author quiz to FT recently - and a couple of contributing members to that quiz are nervously excited at the thought that their names were going to be "up there in lights". I don't care about my part at all, not one bit, as I already have enough quiz credits to my name - but I actually feel really quite bad, almost a bit tearful, about this for them. Their lollipops are being taken away." I hope that each of them has been mentioned at some point in the quiz. This is one of the reasons for asking the managers of a team quiz to identify the person responsible for each question - they get their name in lights - as well as making it easier to arrange for fixes as the manager needs to know who to work with, and hasn't forgotten in the time that has lapsed. Reply #6. Nov 25 23, 2:57 PM |
pollucci19
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I am currently co-authoring a quiz with a team mate, who is endeavouring to write their first quiz. I am using the process to guide my teammate rather than write the questions… my teammate is creating the questions and providing the content. I have seen my role as an editor and to provide guidance on what they can and cannot install, where the question or the the II can be improved. At the end of the day, all I want is to see my teammate get their first quiz on line, whether or not I get any credit for this has never been a consideration Reply #7. Nov 25 23, 5:38 PM |
sally0malley
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LT- Yes, I included author credit for each question (in II) and also added in conclusion text. So I think we're good. Reply #8. Nov 25 23, 6:07 PM |
1nn1
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In our team quizzes, each contributor signs off the question (s) they wrote with their FT name eg "This question was written by XYZ from the Phoenix Rising team". So while only one team member gets overall quiz credit (we have a spreadsheet to ensure the quizzes are spread evenly across the team writers), the individual gets credit should the quiz be carved up for the dailies/hourlies. (It also makes it easy for the team manager should a CN be received - they know who to go to address it.) Reply #9. Nov 26 23, 1:55 AM |
| Creedy
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You're all so very lovely with your reassurances. Thank you. Reply #10. Nov 26 23, 2:48 AM |
| kyleisalive
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Co-authoring should now give proper attribution per discussion here. Reply #11. Dec 01 23, 8:16 PM |
| sally0malley
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! Reply #12. Dec 01 23, 8:46 PM |
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