Subject: Forensic Facial Reconstructions
Posted by: Creedy
Date: Sep 16 17
On some of the familiar names throughout history. hope you find it as fascinating as I did to see what they may have looked like.
Posted by: Creedy
Date: Sep 16 17
On some of the familiar names throughout history. hope you find it as fascinating as I did to see what they may have looked like.
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Eek, I just figured it out! Rabbie Burns looks a lot like David Berkowitz, the "Son of Sam" serial killer, aka the "44 Caliber Killer" who terrorized New York City from 1976 to 1977! At least at the time of his arrest, he looked like that. Creepy! Reply #41. Sep 22 17, 1:35 AM |
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Poor old Anne Boleyn :( http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/9b/d6/ca/9bd6ca8ca680bdbce325e8b292cfd3c6.jpg Reply #42. Sep 23 17, 6:08 PM |
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Henry VII, father of the VIII and the first of the Tudor line. Elizabeth I looks more like him than either of her parents. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/WLA_vanda_Henry_VII_bust.jpg Reply #43. Sep 23 17, 6:09 PM |
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Chopin's death mask. I think his music is absolutely exquisite: The trouble with death masks is they had to put oil on the face and pull the hair back, so it ruins the appearance to a degree. And you don't get the eyes, the mirror of the soul :( It's a shame they don't then pain the mask in skin colours and put a type of wig of their normal hairstyle on the front, so you had more of an idea of the appearance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/chopinexperience/images/chopin_mask1.jpg Reply #44. Sep 23 17, 6:14 PM |
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Wow, Abraham Lincoln's death mask! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2sdoHFVenZ8/T9uTJnJz52I/AAAAAAAAB_0/h8tj5vLFfhM/s640/Lincoln2.gif He looks healthier than I thought he'd be. Of course if you're dead, you're certainly not in the prime of health, but this is a link to the state of his health in wiki. It's fascinating. It even suggests he had syphilis. I don't believe that for one SECOND: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_of_Abraham_Lincoln Reply #45. Sep 23 17, 6:24 PM |
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Anne Boleyn -- obviously a beauty no man could resist. Or, maybe she just had a really great hook? Reply #46. Sep 25 17, 4:32 AM |
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Chopin kind of looks like Vladimir Putin, with our without his shirt! Reply #47. Sep 25 17, 4:34 AM |
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I love these, Creedy! I hope you will find and post more! And, by the way, Abe Lincoln looks just like Abe Lincoln. Amazing! Reply #48. Sep 25 17, 4:36 AM |
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Here is the monument to Edward III and at the bottom on the left, a death effigy.http://www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/royals/edward-iii. He was tall and I remember seeing a programme where they reckoned he died of a stroke and you can see the effect of that on one side of his face in this death mask image https://faculty.history.wisc.edu/sommerville/123/123%20154%20EdwardIIIdeath.htm. He's the King whose father was killed by his mother and her lover and he had her lover executed and his mother imprisoned once he reached his majority. He also had lots of sons, which ultimately lead to the Wars of the Roses, when the eldest heirs died/were overthrown. Reply #49. Sep 25 17, 1:11 PM |
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Oh how interesting! You can see the effects of the stroke - on the left side of his face. Poor man :( That means the clot struck the right side of his brain (I think), so the vision on his left side may have gone too and his ability to recognise faces, or make sense of what he was seeing. They were probably hovering around his bed like vultures. Reply #50. Sep 26 17, 12:03 AM |
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And here's Felix Mendelssohn composer from the Romantic Age in music who lived from 1809-1847. Gosh, he died young. http://www.mfiles.co.uk/illustrations/mendelssohn-deathmask.jpg His sister, Fanny (1805-1847), was even more talented as a composer and performer, but because of the suffocating attitudes to women at that time, she basically was kept confined to the drawing room. Her father said to her that "Music will perhaps become his [Felix's] profession, while for you it can and must be only an ornament". Even Felix, who adored his sister (some say uncomfortably so, which is piffle - he actually was in love with Jenny Lind and threatened to kill himself unless she surrendered herself to him. He was married too by then, the naughty man) said of Fanny's great talent that "From my knowledge of Fanny I should say that she has neither inclination nor vocation for authorship. She is too much all that a woman ought to be for this. She regulates her house, and neither thinks of the public nor of the musical world, nor even of music at all, until her first duties are fulfilled. Publishing would only disturb her in these, and I cannot say that I approve of it". Oh what hogwash. It's hard not to judge the values of yesterday by the standards of today, but that makes me really angry. Both Mendelssohn siblings died from the complications resulting from strokes as well - as did their parents. I'm ashamed to say I think that's more interesting than his music. I wonder why they all died that way? A genetic predisposition to it? Anyway, here's Felix. Btw, he wasn't the gentle romantic figure as usually portrayed by various people, but was prone to exhausting fits of rage instead when he didn't get his own way. Reply #51. Sep 26 17, 12:29 AM |
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(He reminds me of Uriah Heep. From "David Copperfield" ie) Reply #52. Sep 26 17, 12:31 AM |
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Famous hairy Russian author, Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910), considered by many to be the greatest novelist of all time. That's fine if you like all that sort of thing - murders, war, death, destruction, broken hearts and so on. I detest it, preferring the genteel and gentle works of Jane Austen by far - but each to their own. https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/celebrity-death-masks-dead-photos-10.jpg? Reply #53. Sep 26 17, 12:47 AM |
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Hairy is right! Check out those eyebrows! Reply #54. Sep 26 17, 10:35 AM |
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Creedy that's interesting. Maybe the family had some genetic predisposition to high blood pressure which is often the cause of strokes. Sounds like Mendlessohn's blood pressure would have shot up anyway during all those rages. I like both Tolstoy's and Jane Austen's works. Jane's are small scale but well-observed and humourous. Tolstoy's are more serious, epic and meaty. Reply #55. Sep 27 17, 5:59 PM |
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I've been watching the TV show Versailles and this is a wax effigy of Louis XIV made when he was 65 and said to be probably the most lifelike and it has real hair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpukvtYO-XQ I can't find a death mask or similar for the other main character, the King's brother Philippe, Duc D'Orleans, so here's a portrait instead https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/25825397846520455/ Reply #56. Sep 27 17, 7:31 PM |
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P.S. Portraits of Louis XIV show him as much more handsome when young. Painters may have been flattering him but comparing the shape of his face and mouth from older paintings to the waxwork, I suspect he's lost some teeth by old age which made his mouth in profile look concave especially in relation to his nose. He was supposed to have have very bad breath in old age and that may have been due to bad teeth. He died from gangrene in the foot which spread up the leg and poisoned his system. He was though to be diabetic. Uncontrolled diabetes can led to such problems and they didn't have the medical knowledge in those days but he still lived to be 77 which I think was the longest of any French King and he still holds the record for the longest reigning monarch in Europe. Reply #57. Sep 27 17, 7:40 PM |
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You've got a facial reconstruction for Mozart earlier I think. Here's his death mask https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/559501953691446873/ Reply #58. Sep 27 17, 7:46 PM |
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Fascinating, Mixamatosis! But you're right about his looks. That articullarly one is downright unflattering. He was supposed to be good-looking. I think I'd prefer his cook. Those other faces in that attachments - I'm going back to pour over them some more now. Reply #59. Sep 27 17, 8:22 PM |
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I like the Mozart one, but whether its him or not, who knows. His wife was so devastated at his death that she apparently got into bed beside his corpse and refused to get out. They had to drag her away. (So my singing teacher told me - right before I had to sing an aria. It quite killed the mood) Ramesses's (a lot of esses) mask looks very distinguished. Beethoven's we put in before, poor man. That was such a cruel curse for a man of his musical genius. His deafness ie, not his death mask. He said he could still hear the music in his head, and of course he would have felt the vibrations in the air, but that's no consolation. It says under the second mask of his on your link that his mother was a Moor. I'd never heard that before and think it's somewhat doubtful. He seems to have come down from healthy German stock more than anything else, with a dash of Flemish thrown in for good luck. Not that it matters - oh what absolute rubbish, I just read in a couple of sites that they based that on the shape of his nose! Oh wow, wouldn't you have loved to get your hands on these: After he became completely deaf, he communicated mostly by having his visitors etc write things down in books, and then he answered either verbally OR by writing. There were over 400 of these when he died - can you imagine the wonderful historical atmosphere they'd contain, and how much they would have revealed about his personality and life?? First hand information. He called them his conversation books - and of that 400, his half-wit of a secretary destroyed 264 on Beethoven's death because he "wished only an idealised biography of the composer to survive". Queen Victoria's daughter did that with the Queen's diaries as well, books she had written in every day of her life. That's almost heartbreaking. Victoria was VERY frank with her remarks in those diaries about all the different people in and out of her life - and with Albert (ahem) - and her daughter probably thought she was doing the right thing, but I think she should have been lynched. Reply #60. Sep 27 17, 9:20 PM |
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