Fifiona81
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I'll go for stallion and motte-and-bailey next. Reply #61. May 02 18, 2:34 PM |
trident
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"Did anyone get the sense that this list was just a touch more challenging than the first two? Or was it just my usual and customary obtuseness kicking in? " Could be. What did you find more challenging? Reply #62. May 02 18, 6:00 PM |
looney_tunes
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I will take society and "Remembrance of Things Past". Reply #63. May 02 18, 7:45 PM |
spanishliz
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May I have 'fencing' and 'pigeon photography' for my fourth pair, please? Reply #64. May 02 18, 7:49 PM |
looney_tunes
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Society submitted to Movies, "Remembrance of Things Past" to Literature. Reply #65. May 02 18, 8:38 PM |
FatherSteve
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The second set -- the more specific words -- seemed to point toward questions which would be unlikely to produce correct answers at the level needed for acceptance. Some seemed more like the stuff one would find in one of the obscurity quizzes. I just felt (rather than reasoned) that there were a few more like this in this list than there had been in the previous lists ... 'tho it could have been that my mental battery is running on low. Reply #66. May 02 18, 11:40 PM |
Joepetz
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Galleon has been submitted to history and Catherine de' Medici has been submitted to People. Reply #67. May 03 18, 7:13 AM |
Joepetz
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I'll take warlock and Fort Ticonderoga. Reply #68. May 03 18, 7:13 AM |
LadyNym
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"Spear" has been submitted to World, and "Kingdom of Sardinia" to People. As my fourth and final pair, I'd gladly take "princess" and "Dido of Carthage". Reply #69. May 03 18, 8:05 AM |
rossian
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I've submitted my two. Page went to People and Tsarskoye Selo to Geography. Reply #70. May 03 18, 11:11 AM |
agony
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Further to what Father Steve said, above.... I've just been in editing single questions, and, yeah, some of this is getting pretty specific. That's not necessarily a problem, but keep in mind that while the *subject* of the question can be quite obscure, the actual question should be reasonably accessible. It's all in the writing, whether a fairly obscure subject gives a great question, or one that is so hard everybody hates it. Reply #71. May 03 18, 12:00 PM |
gme24
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So basically that means stop asking silly questions because you are going to get stupid answers. Reply #72. May 03 18, 12:12 PM |
kyleisalive
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I'm all for the 100 Nouns challenges. I think they're an easy way to get our authors into single question writing in a way that I've never really worked into the Lounge (which, by and large, has just been quiz-centric). It's certainly given me the opportunity to write. Because of them, I've submitted a dozen single questions. That's more for that game than I've written in the past three years. I would expect that most of our Lounge authors are using this as an opportunity to better-craft single questions. Yes, we obviously want to see more from our best authors (it's part of why something like this gets introduced, let alone everything else in the Lounge), and other posts in here about the bagelets for quality are certainly an indication that that's the direction we want to go. But reminders like Agony's are very helpful. I've also been seeing a number of very, very specific and obscure submissions (in Entertainment, at least), sometimes for these challenges and sometimes not, and I've been rejecting them outright. Our editors are happy to let the players decide if a question is good or not (ratings are super-useful!) but we know when something isn't a fit for the game. And for those questions (questions like "What happened in this one comic strip in 1978?") I will ALWAYS recommend spring-boarding into a larger quiz that tests players on more specialized knowledge. 100 Nouns gives some VERY specific nouns, and while I definitely had some easier, specialized picks that leaned in my favour this go-around (no one was asking for Sasha Velour!), I actually agree with Steve. This round was tough. But that's good! I think that some of our more seasoned writers should be wrapping their heads around how to take a specialized noun and making it something workable. We're not looking for the nittiest grit of “Childe Harold's Pilgrimage”, but it's a wonderful opportunity to craft a question about Lord Byron or poetry of the Romantic Era (which, coincidentally, I did with 'Eternal Sunshine' in Movies this round) or pilgrimages in Literature. Your average trivia player isn't going to know the ins and outs of that poem (Hell, that was a field of study for me and I've never read it) but again, it's only a small seed of a topic; it doesn't need to be a ball-and-chain. Reply #73. May 03 18, 12:57 PM |
trident
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Right, I don't think the intent of having such specific nouns was so that we would have very specific questions. I think the reason I have made most of the nouns in the second list of each round so specific is because I took what I learned from writing my single questions that were successful and wanted a way to offer that to other players. That is, most of my single questions that are highly rated took a very specific idea and turned it into a question that was approachable. Players learned something new and interesting and rewarded the question with high ratings. Players have seen hundreds or even thousands of questions about U.S. presidents, for example. But to learn something new by taking an educated guess about something such as "pigeon photography" might just move a player who rates most questions average up to the top rating. One last point I would make is that the Golden Question I wrote was about the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. This is extremely obscure to most people, but by tweaking the question and making it approachable, it was rated well enough to earn that mini-badge. Looking back at it, that question had an accuracy rate of 84%, so a topic being obscure doesn't mean it has to be difficult. Reply #74. May 03 18, 4:31 PM |
agony
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Yeah, I see the challenge of writing for the specific nouns as not "Can I write a question about Hu Zhengyan?' because of course I can - two minutes at wikipedia will give me something. It's "Can I write a question about Hu Zhengyan that will accessible and interesting to the players?" I should probably add at this point that I've been also seeing some great questions, and a lot more variety than I'm used to. So keep it up! Reply #75. May 03 18, 4:43 PM |
kyleisalive
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I agree with this. I think my point is that there are a lot of authors who are grabbing onto the challenge here and excelling. It's a challenge to complete them, but this isn't about quantity. Reply #76. May 03 18, 7:38 PM |
spanishliz
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Have submitted 'pigeon photography' to Humanities (though it might belong in Hobbies...) and 'fencing' to Celebrities. Reply #77. May 03 18, 9:27 PM |
FatherSteve
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How do pigeons work the camera when their little fingers are all covered in feathers? Reply #78. May 03 18, 10:21 PM |
Fifiona81
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They adjust the apeckture with their beaks and then take the picture by nodding their heads against the button. Reply #79. May 04 18, 3:21 AM |
looney_tunes
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Operant conditioning can produce miracles. https://www.google.com/search?q=pigeons+playing+ping+pong&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b Reply #80. May 04 18, 4:08 AM |
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