Subject: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Posted by: hovenaut
Date: Sep 23 09
The nominees for the 2010 R&R HOF class were announced earlier. They are (in no particular order):
KISS
ABBA
Donna Summer
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Genesis
the Stooges
LL Cool J
Jimmy Cliff
the Hollies
Darlene Love
the Chantels
Laura Nyro
The induction ceremony will take place March 15 in New York City, only five of the 12 will be inducted (announced in December). Tough task, but interested in hearing your five nominees.....
I'm going w/ KISS (overdue, like it or not), Genesis, LL, the Stooges, and even though I abhor disco, Donna Summer. Hard to exclude the Hollies and Jimmy Cliff though. Not too familiar w/ Laura Nyro, the Chantels, or Darlene Love. Thoughts?
Posted by: hovenaut
Date: Sep 23 09
The nominees for the 2010 R&R HOF class were announced earlier. They are (in no particular order):
KISS
ABBA
Donna Summer
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Genesis
the Stooges
LL Cool J
Jimmy Cliff
the Hollies
Darlene Love
the Chantels
Laura Nyro
The induction ceremony will take place March 15 in New York City, only five of the 12 will be inducted (announced in December). Tough task, but interested in hearing your five nominees.....
I'm going w/ KISS (overdue, like it or not), Genesis, LL, the Stooges, and even though I abhor disco, Donna Summer. Hard to exclude the Hollies and Jimmy Cliff though. Not too familiar w/ Laura Nyro, the Chantels, or Darlene Love. Thoughts?
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REDVIKING57 
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Ah! The Beatles - the 2nd. best POP band in the world,ever. After ABBA! LOL! Reply #21. Sep 27 09, 12:57 PM |
trans991
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KISS, Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Hollies and Genesis are my vote. Reply #22. Sep 27 09, 1:23 PM |
Qmel
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My vote would be: KISS Abba Donna Summer Genesis Red Hot Chili Peppers Reply #23. Sep 27 09, 3:15 PM |
uc0nnfan92
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ABBA, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Genesis Reply #24. Sep 27 09, 3:21 PM |
strnog1
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Have to respectfully disagree here again with regard to ABBA belonging in a Hall of Fame for Rock and Roll, with some objecting to their inclusion because they're a "pop" band. I would argue instead that pop music is a derivative of rock and roll just as much as say, heavy metal is, and that pop bands are in fact, rock and roll bands. However, many of them are just not very good rock and roll bands (Bay City Rollers, anyone?), as is the case with many bands from all sorts of genres. I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has made the decision to be more inclusive in this respect and to use a less narrow definition of rock and roll with which some might disagree, a definition which includes traditional rock and roll, rhythm and blues, rap, and pop music. Some additional tidbits to contemplate specifically relative to ABBA's merit: Pete Townshend of the Who is on record as saying that "SOS" and "Knowing Me Knowing You" are two of the most perfect pop songs ever written and produced. Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders in an interview has said that the Pretenders were influenced by ABBA's strong melodic sense. U2 would regularly perform "Dancing Queen" on their Zoo TV tour, at one point performing it with Bjorn and Benny at the Stockholm tour date. So, critical kudos given from many who are already in the Rock Hall (U2, Pretenders, the Who, Elvis Costello) for ABBA. To end this, an appropriate quote from someone else who I think should be in the Rock Hall, Dire Straits: "They don't give a **** about any trumpet playing band It ain't what they call rock and roll And the Sultans played Creole" Reply #25. Sep 28 09, 12:07 PM |
Anton
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It's a travesty when "bands" like ABBA are even up for discussion when Deep Purple isn't in yet. Reply #26. Sep 28 09, 12:44 PM |
hovenaut
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Felt like chiming back in with a full response regarding ABBA, plenty of back and forth regarding their place in music history. Would say they are very likely one of the more identifiable bands of pop music history - there is no dispute towards their influence on a wide variety of artists. I didn't need to turn the radio dial far as a kid without stumbling on an ABBA standard, not to mention my own mother's collection on vinyl. Like them or not, if you have followed music over the past thirty years you probably can recognize an ABBA song or two. Their critical acclaim measures as strong as their following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ABBA_awards_and_recognition That said, I'm still sticking w/ my choices of KISS, the Stooges, LL Cool J, Genesis, and Donna Summer. Genesis and KISS are overdue, with LL, the Stooges, and Ms. Summer significant to their respective genres (rap/hip-hop, punk, and disco). ABBA could (and possibly should) be recoginized along those lines as well, and would expect them to be inducted one day. Lastly, the Rock and Roll HOF is a misnomer - would also agree to a name change encompassing musical artistry as a whole. Reply #27. Sep 28 09, 2:05 PM |
| strnog1
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Anton, You're clearly quite passionate about what you consider to be the definition of rock and roll, but others may not be so passionate and may have a broader definition. Arguing about who is better, or more deserving, Deep Purple or ABBA, for Rock Hall inclusion, is ultimately a fruitless argument, as the merits of artistry or musicianship are really just opinions, after all, and are incredibly subjective. You sound like you take it personally that Deep Purple aren't in yet, and I, too, agree that Ian Gillan and the guys should be in, just as I feel that others I listed above should be in, with some of those (Randy Newman, Kraftwerk, New Order) being not really traditional rock and roll. As for the implication that ABBA are not really a "band", gotta strongly disagree there. The group wrote their own songs, played their own instruments, and are not some interchangeable pop band whose producers created their sound and marketing for them, like is the case with some of Simon Fuller's projects or the Xeromania production group. They were in control of what they recorded and did what they did quite well, and very successfully, to boot. Do I think everything they did was a gem? Definitely not. Even the Beatles recorded some real clunkers, but the quality of the best ABBA recordings in my opinion supervenes their missteps. And interestingly, Polar Studios, which Bjorn and Benny founded in Stockholm, has been considered to be one of the world's finest recording studios. Led Zeppelin, the Ramones, and Roxy Music, among many others, chose to record there. Consummate record producers, and a consummate band. Reply #28. Sep 28 09, 2:11 PM |
| Anton
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You make good points strnog1. I find it hard to argue them. But, in the case of Deep Purple, they along with Black Sabbath, started a new genre of rock. That genre is heavy metal. The bands that Deep Purple influenced is almost endless. I can't comprehend how they are not in yet. I just can't. The Hall of Fame is supposed to be for the best of the best, and Deep Purple certainly fits into that category. Sorry, rant over now. lol Reply #29. Sep 28 09, 3:05 PM |
| strnog1
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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominating committee leans a bit too much in an American direction, which likely contributes to Deep Purple not being selected yet. This bias is why American artists like Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt have made the hall, and arguably more influential British artists (Deep Purple, the Moody Blues, Roxy Music) have not. Again, it's all entirely subjective, so rant on, ye fans of Deep Purple, Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt. Sometimes it's the ranting that makes life fun. Reply #30. Sep 28 09, 4:21 PM |
| cydonia325
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In my opinion, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has become increasingly irrelevant. It may as well be renamed The Rolling Stone Hall of Fame. I am familiar with many of the people on previous Nominating Committees, and while the names may change every few years, Jann Wenner (publisher of Rolling Stone) has always been the driving force behind the Hall of Fame. It is my opinion that the nominating process is seriously flawed, and the Hall of Fame Nominating Committee should be restructured. Jann is no longer a committee member, but he remains Chairman of the Board of The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Foundation, and Co-Chairman of the Board of The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Museum. His opinion is well represented on the Nominating Committee by former and current Rolling Stone staffers. Of the 31 members on the Nominating Committee (2007-2009 list), 4 are currently Senior or Managing Editors and Writers at Rolling Stone. Another 5 are or have been "regular contributors" to the magazine. They do not receive salaries or benefits, but their names have appeared on the masthead. While there are a few musicians on the Nominating Committee, the majority are industry executives and music journalists. 27 of the 31 members on last year's Hall of Fame Nominating Committee are also named as voters in Rolling Stone's "The Top 100 Greatest Singers of All Time" issue. In some cases, prior affiliation with the magazine isn't mentioned next to the voter's name. As long as The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame remains so closely tied to Rolling Stone, I don't see how the organization can get around accusations of favouritism. I won't clog the board with numerous links; I have probably put anyone reading this post to sleep! Reply #31. Sep 28 09, 11:14 PM |
| strnog1
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The actual inductees have been selected and they are: ABBA Genesis the Hollies Jimmy Cliff the Stooges Have to say I'm happy with the inductees, particularly the guys and gals from Sweden. 4 out of 5 of my picks! Now how about Randy Newman, Kraftwerk, Roxy Music, Alice Cooper and (just for Anton) Deep Purple next year? Reply #32. Dec 16 09, 7:27 PM |
Cymruambyth
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From that entire list, I'd choose only two nominees - KISS and Genesis. Reply #33. Dec 16 09, 11:03 PM |
| cydonia325
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The Stooges! Finally... I loved Iggy's response to the news, in an interview he gave to Rolling Stone: "We've been rejected seven times, and we would have set a record, I think, if it happened again ... It started to feel like Charlie Brown and the football. I had about two hours of a strong emotional reaction after hearing the news. It felt like vindication. Then I kind of scratched my head and thought, 'Am I still cool? Or is that over now?' " Reply #34. Dec 17 09, 12:14 AM |
Schoonie101
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Cydonia, nice call on the Stooges. I'm surprised they were nominated - stoked they got in. Deserved. It must have been something else to see them live in their prime. Definitely not a show where you'd stay seated and give golf claps at the end of each song! :) One of my favorite songs from them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7_7l5SUlZI Reply #35. Dec 17 09, 2:34 AM |
| Schoonie101
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and as far as ABBA goes, sure, why not, I suppose. But will I get everyone hating on me by suggesting that Queen is the female version of ABBA? ;-) Reply #36. Dec 17 09, 2:36 AM |
spidersghost43
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I agree on Deep Purple. They should go in just for the opening riff to Smoke on the Water. Also i know people consider the Beatles a pop band But they could rock (See Helter Skelter, Revolution etc) Abba could never do that and they didn't alter the music world the way The Beatles did. And Jimmy Cliff is a reggae singer. put him the reggae hall of fame Reply #37. Dec 17 09, 8:41 AM |
conundrum49
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I'm definitely for The Stooges, (long overdue IMO). The first post mentioned not being familiar with The Chantels, Darlene Love, or Laura Nyro. The Chantels were a girl group from the '50s, lead singer Arlene Smith was one of the great singers of early rock. Darlene Love sang lead on many of Phil Spector's best girl group songs, (he had her singing lead for several different groups and solo also), Laura Nyro was better known as a songwriter though she was a fine singer in her own right. All three were standout acts in their time and I think all three have a notch in the hall. Videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBNcRE3IIwg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TE5cd5Z4y8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUa8mbgKex8 Reply #38. Dec 27 09, 5:33 PM |
lesley153
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The results have been announced. Seems quite recent. " The performer inductees are: " ABBA " GENESIS " JIMMY CLIFF " THE HOLLIES " THE STOOGES " Ahmet Ertegun Award (nonperformers): " DAVID GEFFEN " BARRY MANN & CYNTHIA WEIL " ELLIE GREENWICH & JEFF BARRY " JESSE STONE " MORT SHUMAN " OTIS BLACKWELL " http://www.rockhall.com/induction2010 Conundrum, have you seen posts 7 and 8 and the link therein? Great minds think alike? I lived with my American cousin in the early 70s. She introduced me to the music of Laura Nyro and James Taylor, and took me to concerts by people like Joan Baez and "Little" Stevie Wonder. It was all there, even then, for people who knew where to look. (Meanwhile, my future brother-in-law was living in America and getting to know Carly Simon the person. Small world.) Reply #39. Dec 27 09, 7:47 PM |
| lesley153
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Yes, it was very recent, because they're listed in strnog1's post of 16th Dec. I didn't read the top line properly - sorry! Reply #40. Dec 27 09, 7:49 PM |
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