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Subject: Supernatural corner

Posted by: satguru
Date: Jul 25 15

After losing the myth, legend or fact forum I thought it would be nice to have a supernatural experiences and questions thread here, I'm sure there's still plenty of interest in it.

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satguru

The first general point is the supernatural is not weird or imaginary, it is simply the science beyond our senses and our measurements, much like there was no TV or radio so showing someone a TV 200 years ago would have been much like seeing a UFO today. Now we know exactly how they work and accept them as normal, so basically this is extending the theory infinitely until everything we can imagine becomes both possible and explainable. Quantum physics now finds nearly every phenomenon we can think of happening, and as we are made of quantum particles what happens on that level happens above, they can already teleport small objects and they are getting bigger. There are even a few official experiments proving our own observation changes experimental results reliably, so clearly our own consciousness interacts with all reality. Over to you.

Reply #1. Jul 31 15, 7:38 PM

satguru

Tonight I played an expert quiz on comics I'd never have tried except for a challenge, and had a question about how the X Men got their powers. No idea, guessed the obvious X Rays. No, it was mutation. At the same time Mastermind was on, Marvel Comics were a specialist subject, and a question on what were the X Men called originally, The Mutants, which was changed on first publication as the editor thought some people wouldn't understand the name. That was on just after I played the quiz, I'd never come across that question in my life and there were no connections possible between the randomly selected quiz here and what was on TV.

Reply #2. Aug 07 15, 8:32 PM

MiraJane

That is something you consider "supernatural"?

Reply #3. Aug 08 15, 12:31 AM

Blackdresss

Satguru, I've been reading your "angel journal," too and I want to at least give you something to consider -- I just hope I don't regret this later, but I think someone needs to at least step up and present it.

You seem very "open," and that's not a bad thing, but be careful what you open yourself up to. If you're just a big old open doorway, anything, and I do mean ANYTHING can and will come in. It might all seem amazing and wonderful and "supernatural" at first, and it very well could be, but not necessarily in the way you might hope.

Running that stuff out again? Not as easy as inviting it in. Along the lines of "Be careful what you wish for," I also strongly suggest "Be careful what you open yourself up to and inadvertently invite in."

I'm just sayin'...

Reply #4. Aug 08 15, 8:57 AM

satguru

There's far more to the supernatural than the well known stuff. Anything that doesn't fit known science fits, and synchronicity is one of the highest levels as imagine the power required to arrange things for each person so they experience the same two or more things happening in close proximity. It happens to me and my family and some friends all the time now since I pointed it out to them and it seems to spread when they experience it happening to others.

As for the other dimensions they are there anyway, and as not physical (to us at least) cannot usually harm us in any ways. I've taken classes since 1991 from some of the best teachers so have no fear of anything happening, it's the solid we need to worry about more than the ethereal. And there are various methods to create protection or send them away, if they do exist then many people would be more likely to let them in by taking drugs than meditation as that is a controlled way rather than breaking down the doors with chemical dynamite as many do.

Reply #5. Aug 08 15, 7:26 PM

MiraJane

A simple "Yes" would have sufficed.

Reply #6. Aug 08 15, 8:34 PM

jonnowales

I think coincidence always needs to be put into perspective. Ask yourself the question, how many times have members of the FunTrivia population played an expert quiz and then watched 'Mastermind' and experienced the result you have described. I am going to guess that the number of times this has happened is very, very small. I would tend to look at something like this in probabilistic terms where what you have described is the event and the chances of that event occurring follows a joint probability distribution with your event sitting under the curve in the unlikely bit. Even though it is unlikely, it is far from impossible.

We tend to place too much significance on coincidence and very little on the vast majority of times where coincidence doesn't occur. Nothing supernatural there for me.

Reply #7. Aug 09 15, 4:29 AM

mpkitty

You say 'supernatural', I say 'coincidence'.

Reply #8. Aug 09 15, 10:28 AM

MiraJane

It's neither. It's paying attention to the world around you.

Reply #9. Aug 09 15, 10:35 AM

mpkitty

You don't think there is such a thing as coincidence?
I do...

Reply #10. Aug 09 15, 11:57 AM

MiraJane

That's not what I stated. I was referring to the run on sentence about synchronicity to be "one of the highest levels" of something claimed as being supernatural.

If X-rays had been a question or answer on a British quiz show after incorrectly guessing X-rays as an answer in a timed quiz here would the same claim be made that it is a "supernatural" occurrence?

You learned a new fact from a game on comics. You heard the same topic on a quiz show. Since X Men is current popular topic due to the movies, it's not surprising it's mentioned on a game show featuring quizzes. For all you know that show buys their questions from here.

If the topic for Team Hero or a Duel or the Expert game is US Politics & you have the TV news on and you hear a story about the horde running for the republican nomination, that's not due to anything supernatural. That's because you lean red a new fact or tidbit and when it's mentioned in some other medium your memory kicks in "Oh! I just learned about that!"

It's supernatural only if you consider the workings of the human brain to be supernatural.

Reply #11. Aug 09 15, 4:52 PM

satguru

The coincidences are synchronicity when firstly they coincide more than two elements, which does happen, and secondly when they happen hundreds of times, and thirdly when something unusual happens and you predict it will happen again within a day or less as you get to know the pattern and it does. I prefer to explain things in detail for everyone than answer just one person.

I've seen enough in the last few years to know it's not random, it can't be. I don't write them all down as I'm not trying to prove it to anyone else, but the people who are with me a lot call me to tell me how many now happen to them as well, and you must look at the odds of them happening and then add the next ones as well, like winning a triple on the horses. And according to many in the east, synchronicity is the first signs of enlightenment as you are working with the universe rather than experiencing it. These 'errors' in the system are there to tell you it is there and not random at all, but like seeing a UFO until it happens to you it doesn't sound real.

Reply #12. Aug 09 15, 6:59 PM

MiraJane

When you "explain things in detail for everyone" you need to answer the question asked.

Reply #13. Aug 09 15, 9:25 PM

daver852

There are things that are very difficult to explain; often the explanations given by skeptics are even more unbelievable than the phenomena they attempt to explain away. Take, for example, what is called "spontaneous human combustion." There are numerous well-documented cases, but the explanation scientists have come up with for it is absurd, and involves something called "the wick effect." The story goes something like this: a person falls asleep smoking a cigarette, which falls into his or her lap, setting their clothes on fire. The heat of the fire melts the fat in the body, and the cloth functions like the wick of a candle, keeping the body burning until it is entirely consumed. This is so absurd that it boggles the mind. It is incredibly difficult to dispose of a body by burning it. Even bodies cremated in crematoriums at thousands of degrees are not as entirely consumed as the corpses in some cases of spontaneous human combustion. But that's the answer that "science" gives, and we are supposed to accept it. Whenever I read about attempts to "debunk" some supernatural events, I'm reminded of a story about Thomas Jefferson. When he was told about a fall of meteorites in Germany that was witnessed by German farmers, he replied, "I will sooner believe that peasants lie, than that stones fall from Heaven."

Reply #14. Aug 10 15, 9:50 AM

satguru

I may have some abilities but reading minds is not always one so can only answer in my own way.

Extending visual spectrums is one of the most direct forms of ability. It begins by being subjective, when people see energy around people and objects, and then can be corroborated when others see the same things as well. Originally they carried out LSD tests in the 60s where the hallucinations were consistent with many of the volunteers, taken on the same route and seeing very similar phenomena. It can take minutes to extend your vision for a minute or so, and then you will see the energy yourself. It may not return easily but it's always there whether you can see it or not.

Reply #15. Aug 10 15, 10:50 AM

satguru

I had my first informative dream last night for a few years, where I visit places and am given names I can check up. This time I was at a large seaside resort which looked Atlantic, but asked my waitress where I was and she said Vasterport in Sweden. It looked too modern to be anywhere in the present, I once travelled along the Thames in the future and saw a group of flats I saw in a newspaper some time later. The pictures were almost the same and in the right place, and the company sent me a brochure. But I couldn't have seen them in real life as they were selling them on the plans and were never built.

I looked up Vasterport and it is indeed in Sweden, but all I can find is it's the name of a cake shop, so possibly where I was eating by the beach rather than the name of the town so I could have checked it on Streetview, but who could guess something like that randomly?

Reply #16. Aug 22 15, 5:06 PM

rockinsteve

The supernatural IS quite fascinating! I have an interest in things like ESP and ghosts. The word supernatural can be broken down into super and natural. That's a good description of the word.

Reply #17. Aug 22 15, 5:58 PM

MiraJane

There seems to be a tendency to label something supernatural before exploring all options for a more prosaic explanation.

Reply #18. Aug 22 15, 6:53 PM

rockinsteve

You're right about that, MiraJane. Some of the so-called supernatural occurrences are explained in scientific terms and aren't really "supernatural" at all.

Reply #19. Aug 22 15, 9:20 PM

ElusiveDream

How many of you believe that ghosts exist?

Reply #20. Aug 23 15, 12:58 AM

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